Dear john, Thank you very much for working on this job. For an example of what I think is complete, see my work on this task: http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969#task/80
I agree that this is a very difficult task and, as you suggested, this task might be best suited to focus just on roads and residential areas. I will talk to ARMM-Heart this week to refine what data they need and will revise the instructions accordingly. You are definitely correct that this task is best suited for local PH-based mappers and, upon looking at the changeset comment [0], majority of the mappers were PH based or at least mapping the PH (this includes a few of the people we trained when I went there to assist the IDP mapping request last week). I foresee this as longer term response (not very urgent, but equally important). I will probably be back (as a volunteer) on the field to help the local responders but as I've said previously, security is a concern so we map as much as we can remotely and integrate ground validation to other humanitarian work. Thanks again and your contribution is very much appreciated. [0] http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=ARMM#11/6.9949/124.3810 On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:35 PM, john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > Given the resources available I think it would be better to reduce the scope > and first map major roads and say settlements of more than five houses. If > I look at what has been mapped a lot of individual buildings have been > mapped which is good but in the same time far more buildings could have been > mapped in settlements. > > Currently I'm mapping another two projects both at 90+%, one one I'm > practically the only mapper left and and the other a high priority one the > number of active mappers completing tiles has dropped off considerably > recently. > > So basically the concern if you like is this project is quite difficult to > map all the attributes asked for, a sample tile would be useful. To be > honest unless it says on the roof in large friendly letters what it is it > could be a barn, warehouse, school, public building or place of worship. So > you can map a tile for roads, settlements and large buildings that look > interesting but you can't really tick the box to say its done and sometimes > box ticking helps the motivation. The Philippines might be the place to > look for mappers who are motivated and know something about the area. > > Cheerio John > > On 4 April 2015 at 10:31, Pierre Béland <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi John >> >> Yes, this is important to zoom in enough. This is a tropical country and >> there is dense vegetation that sometimes partly obscure the buildings. In >> comparizon, it is easier then to map for the Vanuatu islands where the >> vegetation is ever more dense. >> >> For these emergencies, the humanitarian organizations need a minimum of >> information for their logistic of operation. For this task, instructions >> are to trace outbound of the residential areas and the major buildings plus >> the highways. >> >> Looking at a task that you validated previously, I see that the Bing >> imagery is clear enough to trace the highways and the outline around the >> residential areas. http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969#task/55 >> >> Humanitarians plan to use an offline OSMand map to navigate. Maning is in >> the field interfacing with these organizations. He also added to the >> instruction panel links to Mapillary video. This help us to understand the >> context. >> >> >> Pierre >> >> ________________________________ >> De : john whelan <[email protected]> >> À : maning sambale <[email protected]> >> Cc : HOT <[email protected]> >> Envoyé le : Samedi 4 avril 2015 9h24 >> Objet : Re: [HOT] Mapping IDP camps in Maguindanao, Philippines >> >> I've had a quick look, the houses are often low density and there are lots >> of them which makes mapping a cluster awkward, it also means that marking a >> tile done is difficult if any buildings are not mapped. The tracks / roads >> can be difficult to pick out which again makes marking the tile done not >> easy. Some clusters of housing don't appear to have any roads leading up to >> them but there is a lot of water around so I assume that is the method of >> transport. Anyway I've quickly marked a few large landuse=residential on a >> few tiles so I hope that is of some use. Realistically you need a lot more >> mappers from somewhere, much of the imagery is good but you need to zoom in. >> Can you tap the locals in some way? Especially for the requirement about >> picking out places of worships, schools and public buildings and these need >> to be done before the tile can be marked done if it is a requirement.; >> >> What might help is getting one tile mapped as an example of how you'd like >> the others mapped. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> >> >> On 31 March 2015 at 06:59, maning sambale <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear everyone, >> >> As always, thank you to the 10 contributors [0] who are helping with this >> task. >> I just uploaded some mapillary photos to help guide mappers what some >> of the features look like on the ground. >> Links are in the Instruction tab of the task [1]. >> >> We are hoping the holy week ceasefire will decrease the military >> offensive [2] but IDP situation on the ground is not any way better. >> Once again this is not an urgent task nor a formal activation, but we >> appreciate any help you can extend. >> >> [0] >> http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=ARMM#11/6.9949/124.3810 >> [1] http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969 >> [2] http://www.manilatimes.net/holy-week-ceasefire/173028/ >> >> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 10:21 AM, maning sambale >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Dear HOTties, >> > >> > (cc OSM-PH) >> > >> > This is not an urgent task, but we are requesting any assistance you can >> > extend. >> > There is an ongoing military operation in Maguindanao which affected >> > 125K IDPs >> > [0 and 1]. I am in Cotabato right now assisting the ARMM-HEART (the >> > regional humanitarian agency) in using OSM in coordinating the >> > on-going response. >> > >> > Fieldwork is very challenging due to physical and security conditions. >> > We created a task to improve the baseamap. The task is here: >> > http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/969 >> > >> > Advance thanks! >> > >> > [0] >> > http://reliefweb.int/map/philippines/philippines-displacement-overview-central-mindanao-3-mar-2015 >> > [1] >> > http://data.ex2.georepublic.net:8080/geofuse/showtheme?layer=csvdata.mb_FA7FECF8C37F1AAD7A504FAA0876B6D0_2348 >> > -- >> > cheers, >> > maning >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> > "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> > blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> > ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> -- >> cheers, >> maning >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden >> blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > -- cheers, maning ------------------------------------------------------ "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list [email protected] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
