Yes On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:15 PM, john whelan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On the wiki page it refers to *"JOSM Style 'HOT-OSM-Validation'"* does > this refer to the HDM style? > > Thanks John > > On 28 April 2015 at 06:44, Severin Menard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> NIck and I made this wikipage about it: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data >> >> I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job >> and task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on >> the motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area >> and make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not >> correctly done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and >> republish the job. >> Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and >> - clean everything with the validator >> - add mssing objects >> - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) >> - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, >> according to the agreed scheme) >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Severin >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. >>> Not only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do >>> it. We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, >>> please do. >>> >>> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge >>> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure >>> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. >>> >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De :* Severin Menard <[email protected]> >>> *À :* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 >>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an >>> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access >>> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this >>> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of >>> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task >>> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Severin >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Fellow mappers, >>> >>> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a >>> critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes >>> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better >>> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, >>> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain >>> from contributing. >>> >>> Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate >>> the tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link >>> to local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to >>> create screencast for specific tasks. >>> >>> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during >>> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually >>> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some >>> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to >>> participate in a project others criticize: >>> >>> - Are the maps actually being used? >>> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or >>> incomplete? >>> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? >>> >>> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community >>> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to >>> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you >>> shouldn't do it". But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously >>> to make HOT even more awesome. >>> >>> Best, >>> clkao >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT >>> Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest >>> to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line... >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. >>> I know many of us started during an emergency. >>> >>> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was >>> firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are >>> right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, >>> I started another email chain about training help. >>> >>> Step by step, >>> >>> heather >>> >>> Heather Leson >>> [email protected] >>> Twitter: HeatherLeson >>> Blog: textontechs.com >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long >>> Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great >>> job. They were in the top list of contributors. >>> >>> This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the >>> new contributors. >>> >>> I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make >>> to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and >>> assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce >>> quality mapping. >>> >>> regard >>> >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *De :* Andrew Buck <[email protected]> >>> *À :* [email protected] >>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21 >>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but >>> some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is >>> load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored >>> download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check >>> the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people >>> doing this every now and then makes a huge difference. >>> >>> Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map. >>> Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful >>> of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for >>> other mappers. >>> >>> - -AndrewBuck >>> >>> >>> On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: >>> > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to >>> > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These >>> > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives >>> > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some >>> > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed >>> > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already >>> > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal >>> > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked >>> > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I >>> > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these >>> > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected >>> > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then >>> > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in >>> > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done >>> > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is >>> > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for >>> > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them >>> > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles >>> > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to >>> > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in >>> > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any >>> > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all" >>> > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows >>> > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that >>> > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as >>> > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are >>> > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can >>> > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the >>> > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant >>> > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have >>> > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to >>> > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more >>> > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this >>> > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. 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