Suzan,
Excellent idea, though probably tough to do in the middle of
this crisis. But we do have the email addresses and A LOT of people
have participated, so we should get some valuable feedback.
Charlotte
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Pierre and all,
Has collecting data from these new contributors been considered?
It would be interesting to know why some stick and why the rest leave.
A simple SurveyMonkey query would tell why a whopping 2,820 contributors
worked only one day and why only 864 newbies stuck around. That data
could be used to direct the new training material and to change the landing
page for OSM.
The survey would need to be carefully written to return useful data,
hopefully by someone adept and experienced in survey writing. There must
be data-gathering experts in the team.
Features of the survey could include
--boxes where survey participants can leave messages in their own words,
--asking for contributor's background (college student, retired, working
full time, professional background, degrees, etc.)
--where they heard about the project,
--how difficult they found using the software,
--what frustrations and joys they found in participating,
--if they plan on contributing in the future,
--what would make their experience easier, more interesting, etc., and
--what they suggest for improvement.
If something could be put together soon, these
3,684 people could give valuable
data. Hopefully email addresses were gathered with registration?
Suzan
On May 8, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
Editors, either ID or JOSM will surely evolve to
be more intuitive for new contributors.
If we look at the characteristics of the
contributors for the first 12 days of this Nepal response
- 5,765 contributors
- 3,684 opened an OSM account since Apr. 25
- 2,820 of these new contributors contributed only one day
My opinion is that we should not concentrate on
the volume of edits made by these contributors,
but assure that they can learn the basis rapidly
and produce data of quality. The mapathons
bring in numerous of new contributors that
become aware of OpenStreetMap, which is a good
result. We need tools to have the capacity to
follow their edits as they learn this to assure
that they master the basic concepts of editing.
It would be interesting to analyze how we can
retain more contributors, wha make them come back to edit for a second day.
Pierre
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Objet : Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
Hi Tom and Kretzer,
Something to note, is there are other advantages
and disadvantages to the various editors and
that is why we must allow for people to choose
which one is right for them. In some places we
work, people are less familiar with computers
and the internet. In some cases, just being a
desktop editor makes JOSM more familiar and
easier to work with. In other cases it can be
difficult to explain what Java is and why JOSM
doesnt work without it. You can be more
certain that they already have a browser
installed; many of our first day trainings in
the field are a bit of general computer usage to
start. Locally during a disaster there may not
be an internet and you need offline capability,
but possibly there is hit and miss cell service enough to use a mobile editor.
This is what makes it pretty much impossible to
just flip a switch and have everyone using the
same tools and methods and find a training
method that works for all (not to mention
different learning styles, etc.) I can say that
in my short time with OSM, there have been leaps
and bounds in making things more user friendly
as well as easier to check quality, use the
data, etc., etc. I remember there were a few
videos made by Steve Coast showing how to edit
with Potlatch, and they worked to get me started
(and were rather entertaining/comical) but
somewhat showcase two issues I often think about
regarding training tools: translation and
shelf-life; I think those videos may have
disappeared already, but even at the time I
watched them, things had changed and they were showing their age.
I know this was a bit more than a reply just to
this thread, but sort of a reply in general to a
lot of topics; please do keep up the conversation, we can always do better,
=Russ
From: Tom McDonald [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:43 PM
To: Kretzer
Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Subject: Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
I agree John - JOSM should be encouraged for
building mapping. I do not think it deserves a difficult reputation.
An awesome and easy to use feature (besides the
building tool of course) is the filter: setting
one to hide all building=* makes it really easy
to flip all buildings on/off. This makes it
easier to see buildings you may have missed.
Tom
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kretzer
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
Or you could go the other way and ad a building tool to iD.
This needs to be kept simple I guess, but there
could be some tools to speed up editing in iD.
Antoher thing that makes editing in iD slower is
that you can always only edit one item a time.
I'd like to be able to select several objects
and move them, or tag them together.
Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 01:45 Uhr
Von: "john whelan" <[email protected]>
An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Betreff: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment.
Mapping buildings is not my favourite
occupation. I reward myself by breaking off and
sending the odd email etc from time to time so
the figures below are not head down hard mapping of buildings.
However I noticed that in a one hour session in
Nepal I mapped around six hundred buildings
using JOSM building_tool including one or two
odd shaped ones <shift>J thanks to Blake's video.
If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that
half the mappers only map twenty buildings or
less and there aren't that many mappers mapping
over a hundred buildings in a tile.
Does it matter? If we were paying mappers for
their time then yes it would, we aren't but even
so think how much more quickly we could complete
projects with the same resources and we won't
even talk about data quality issues.
I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation
for being hard to teach and use by some but
perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a
bit more productivity out of our mappers?
Cheerio
John
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