Charlotte,
I am happy to volunteer to put a survey together for sending soon. I have the
expertise and time. The data could render extremely important and valuable
information, but it needs to be done in a timely manner in my experience. Who
would be on the team?
Suzan
On May 9, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
Suzan,
Excellent idea, though probably tough to do in the middle of
this crisis. But we do have the email addresses and A LOT of people
have participated, so we should get some valuable feedback.
Charlotte
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> Pierre and all,
>
> Has collecting data from these new contributors been considered?
> It would be interesting to know why some stick and why the rest leave.
> A simple SurveyMonkey query would tell why a whopping 2,820 contributors
> worked only one day and why only 864 newbies stuck around. That data
> could be used to direct the new training material and to change the landing
> page for OSM.
> The survey would need to be carefully written to return useful data,
> hopefully by someone adept and experienced in survey writing. There must
> be data-gathering experts in the team.
>
> Features of the survey could include
> --boxes where survey participants can leave messages in their own words,
> --asking for contributor's background (college student, retired, working
> full time, professional background, degrees, etc.)
> --where they heard about the project,
> --how difficult they found using the software,
> --what frustrations and joys they found in participating,
> --if they plan on contributing in the future,
> --what would make their experience easier, more interesting, etc., and
> --what they suggest for improvement.
> If something could be put together soon, these 3,684 people could give
> valuable
> data. Hopefully email addresses were gathered with registration?
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On May 8, 2015, at 7:21 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>
> Editors, either ID or JOSM will surely evolve to be more intuitive for new
> contributors.
>
> If we look at the characteristics of the contributors for the first 12 days
> of this Nepal response
> - 5,765 contributors
> - 3,684 opened an OSM account since Apr. 25
> - 2,820 of these new contributors contributed only one day
>
> My opinion is that we should not concentrate on the volume of edits made by
> these contributors, but assure that they can learn the basis rapidly and
> produce data of quality. The mapathons bring in numerous of new contributors
> that become aware of OpenStreetMap, which is a good result. We need tools to
> have the capacity to follow their edits as they learn this to assure that
> they master the basic concepts of editing. It would be interesting to analyze
> how we can retain more contributors, wha make them come back to edit for a
> second day.
>
>
> Pierre
>
> De : Russell Deffner
> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
> À : 'Tom McDonald' <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>; 'Kretzer'
> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
> Cc : <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
> Envoyé le : Vendredi 8 mai 2015 21h11
> Objet : Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>
> Hi Tom and Kretzer,
>
> Something to note, is there are other advantages and disadvantages to the
> various editors and that is why we must allow for people to choose which one
> is right for them. In some places we work, people are less familiar with
> computers and the internet. In some cases, just being a desktop editor makes
> JOSM more familiar and easier to work with. In other cases it can be
> difficult to explain what Java is and why JOSM doesnt work without it. You
> can be more certain that they already have a browser installed; many of our
> first day trainings in the field are a bit of general computer usage to
> start. Locally during a disaster there may not be an internet and you need
> offline capability, but possibly there is hit and miss cell service enough to
> use a mobile editor.
>
> This is what makes it pretty much impossible to just flip a switch and have
> everyone using the same tools and methods and find a training method that
> works for all (not to mention different learning styles, etc.) I can say
> that in my short time with OSM, there have been leaps and bounds in making
> things more user friendly as well as easier to check quality, use the data,
> etc., etc. I remember there were a few videos made by Steve Coast showing
> how to edit with Potlatch, and they worked to get me started (and were rather
> entertaining/comical) but somewhat showcase two issues I often think about
> regarding training tools: translation and shelf-life; I think those videos
> may have disappeared already, but even at the time I watched them, things had
> changed and they were showing their age.
>
> I know this was a bit more than a reply just to this thread, but sort of a
> reply in general to a lot of topics; please do keep up the conversation, we
> can always do better,
> =Russ
>
>
>
> From: Tom McDonald [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:43 PM
> To: Kretzer
> Cc: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
> Subject: Re: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
>
> I agree John - JOSM should be encouraged for building mapping. I do not think
> it deserves a difficult reputation.
>
> An awesome and easy to use feature (besides the building tool of course) is
> the filter: setting one to hide all building=* makes it really easy to flip
> all buildings on/off. This makes it easier to see buildings you may have
> missed.
>
> Tom
>
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Kretzer
> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
> Or you could go the other way and ad a building tool to iD.
> This needs to be kept simple I guess, but there could be some tools to speed
> up editing in iD.
>
> Antoher thing that makes editing in iD slower is that you can always only
> edit one item a time. I'd like to be able to select several objects and move
> them, or tag them together.
>
> Gesendet: Samstag, 09. Mai 2015 um 01:45 Uhr
> Von: "john whelan" <[email protected]>
> An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> Betreff: [HOT] slow time mapper productivity
> This is definitely slow time and not something to distract HOT at the moment.
>
> Mapping buildings is not my favourite occupation. I reward myself by
> breaking off and sending the odd email etc from time to time so the figures
> below are not head down hard mapping of buildings.
>
> However I noticed that in a one hour session in Nepal I mapped around six
> hundred buildings using JOSM building_tool including one or two odd shaped
> ones <shift>J thanks to Blake's video.
>
> If I look at the tiles I'm working on I see that half the mappers only map
> twenty buildings or less and there aren't that many mappers mapping over a
> hundred buildings in a tile.
>
> Does it matter? If we were paying mappers for their time then yes it would,
> we aren't but even so think how much more quickly we could complete projects
> with the same resources and we won't even talk about data quality issues.
>
> I understand that JOSM has acquired a reputation for being hard to teach and
> use by some but perhaps with suitable guidelines we can get a bit more
> productivity out of our mappers?
>
> Cheerio
>
> John
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