Laura,

You're welcome for the quick reply.....;).

OK, looks like you are letting photoshop do the color management when you are 
printing. In this case, you want to make sure that the driver doesn't do any 
color management. Depending on the type of print you're doing, I wouldn't use 
saturation. That is only used for presentation grafics. So go with perceptual 
or relative colorimetric.

Regarding the driver settings, what I meant was what you generally choose in 
the Color Tab of the driver. In the driver there are 4 tab options, when you go 
to the driver properties, Basic Setup, CAD, Color and ADvanced. In the Paper 
tab, you set your papersize, print quality etc. There is also an option for 
Optimize. What have you chosen there?

Then in the CAD Tab, just leave it set to Use Application Colors.

In the Color Tab, there are three sections, Color Use, Lightness and Printed 
Color Control. Color can be set to color, of course, lightness I have generally 
left as is, in the middle. The key one here is the Printed Color Control 
section. Since you are doing the color management in Photoshop (Let photoshop 
determine colors), you want to make sure that the driver doesn't do or add any 
color management on top of what photoshop has done. 
So here, you want to turn of color management by choosing No Color Correction.

As far as converting to CMYK, it really depends. If  you're generally printing 
photographs I'd keep using an RGB workflow and send RGB data to the printer. 

I hope this helps.

Cheers
Teddy



----- Original Message ----
From: laura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:36:39 AM
Subject: [HPDesignJet_Printers] Re: Out of gamut and color management problems 
- long









  


    
            Teddy,



Thanks for the quick reply.  



Here are my settings for print with preview window in adobe:



document (profile: Adobe RGB1998)

color handling (let photoshop determin colors)

printer profile (profile created using color visions printfix pro)

rendering - either saturation or perceptual.

have tried black point on and off



>  what settings you have in the driver, regarding the color etc.>



excuse me for being naive but i have always selected the hpgl/2 

versus the cad so i think i must be missing something with the 

driver settings regarding the color unless the print preview 

satifies that. Otherwise I am not sure what you mean by the drivers 

color tab.



i have done all the alignments, the calibrations, and i just tried 

converting to CMYK (that came as a suggestion to try).  The only 

other suggestion I haven't tried is that if I can print the smaller 

11 x 14 sizes and they turned out great with the same profile and 

then use alien skin blowup or OnOne 4.1 then I should add a surface 

texture to compensate?? ?  



Thanks again for the quick reply.



laura



--- In HPDesignJet_ Printers@ yahoogroups. com, Teddy Dako 

<[EMAIL PROTECTED] ..> wrote:

>

> Hi Laura,

> 

> First of all, I think that driver should be fine. I've used that 

one before. But I think also, to help more, you'd have to let us 

know what settings you have in the Print with Preview window in 

photoshop and what settings you have in the driver, regarding the 

color etc.

> 

> If you are using the out of gamut warning and the profile space 

you are going to is the one that was made for the printer, then 

either that profile was made wrongly, or it is correct, but some 

other setting is wrong. After upgrading the firmware of the printer, 

have you done all the alignments and calibrations on the printer, 

especially for the media you are using? When you print a palette 

demo on the machine, the driver is not used. When you send a print 

from your PC, the settings in the driver should overwrite the 

palette settings, if it's set to software. If you set it to Factory, 

A or B, you might get different colors.

> 

> Important thing, what settings do you have in the Print with 

Preview window in CS2? And in the driver's color tab.

> 

> Cheers

> T

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: laura <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .>

> To: HPDesignJet_ Printers@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:09:14 AM

> Subject: [HPDesignJet_ Printers] Out of gamut and color management 

problems - long

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   

> 

> 

>     

>             Hey all.

> 

> 

> 

> Am having a bit more problems so here I am again.

> 

> 

> 

> I upgraded the firmware and software on the HP Designjet 5000.  

The 

> 

> driver upgrade is 5.35 using HPGL/2.  I need to stress that this 

is 

> 

> for a reproduction print of a digital painting.  When I use the 

out 

> 

> of gamut warning, the entire image (80%) is now out of gamut and 

has 

> 

> turned into a dull grey with no detail.  

> 

> 

> 

> I have been using Photoshop CS2 and I have had my monitor and 

> 

> printer profiled for the new paper.  I printed out a palette demo 

> 

> which printed 2 of the same palettes so I don't know if it was 

> 

> factory, A or B. The A and B palettes are still set at factory.  

The 

> 

> color printed was definitely the color that was not printing on 

the 

> 

> print.  Could I have a corrupt driver, firmware.  Any suggestions?

> 

>   

> 

> It printed perfectly prior to the upgrade and I did set a restore 

> 

> point which did not hold for some reason. So I am unable to return 

> 

> to the prior driver. I upgraded because I received an auto 

> 

> notification for my hp profile. 

> 

> 

> 

> My big question now is when I printed the palette all the colors I 

> 

> could ever want printed perfectly, so that is sort of leading me 

to 

> 

> believe the driver is working correctly.

> 

> 

> 

> On the HP Forum it had me do a proof with CMYK which looked great, 

> 

> until I printed.  The print did in no way match the monitor 

profile. 

> 

> 

> 

> Again, any suggestions would be so appreciated. I have a deadline 

> 

> this week to make.

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks so much.

> 

> 

> 

> Laura

> 

> 

> 

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