Sounds great Nigel. I should maybe do an episode not only about how a11y works on Linux but how, and I think this is a question a lot of sighted folks have no idea about, how someone who can see nothing does stuff at all.
I've become conscious that I seem to start most of my episodes with some kind of comment about being blind and I don't want it to begin to sound like I am whining. The truth is most of my casts to date have had a11y as some aspect of the subject. Inevitable I suppose. Here's an example of our frustrations...the author of the gambas web site has chosen to put the links to download example code into a Flash widget. Totally inaccessible. I suspect it's some kind of anti-bot measure but it is incredibly frustrating. Using the NVDA (Open Source) screen-reader on Windows, running into a Flash widget says 'object unavailable'. Mike On 30/11/2014 20:12, Nigel Verity wrote: > Mike > > This is disappointing as Gambas is a great tool. I think it just goes to > demonstrate how little attention we, who are fortunate enough to have no > accessibility issues, pay to the subject. > > Perhaps there is a need for an HPR episode here. I've heard a number of > podcasts addressing the issue of accessibility but I've yet to hear one which > takes the listener down into the nitty gritty, explaining how what would seem > to be insurmountable problems are solved. We've probably all heard of Orca > and other screen readers, but it must be a total mystery to most of us how > anybody with a visual impairment can make sense of websites consisting of > multiple columns and panels, with video and adverts thrown into the mix. > > Gambas forms are defined in plain text, as a very simple human-readable > hierarchy of control definitions. Designing a form using just a text editor > should not be at all difficult. However, you cannot build those forms into a > project and compile it into a Gambas executable without using the IDE. If > that's no good from an accessibility standpoint, then it's looks like being > something of a showstopper. > > However, one of the claims of Gambas is that the IDE is itself created using > Gambas. You can base your application on QT or GTK. It just requires the > selection of a couple of different components in the project definition. That > being the case it should be possible to regenerate the IDE using GTK as a > base. I'll explore this and get back to you in due course. > > Regards > > Nige > > >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 12:59:55 +0000 >> From: Mike Ray <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [Hpr] Gambas, was: @Ahuka; Libreoffice base? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Nigel, >> >> I took a look at the gambas web-site and read the intro. Sounds good >> but I was dismayed to read that the IDE(?) is currently written using >> the Qt toolkit, which is notoriously bad for accessibility. >> >> Are you able to confirm that forms are stored as some kind of text, >> perhaps XML and thence hackable from a text-editor? >> >> Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > [email protected] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK "Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla" (It's a long way by the rules, but short and efficient with examples) Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi? Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ >From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers _______________________________________________ Hpr mailing list [email protected] http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
