On Thursday, March 12, 2020 08:36:21 PM Dave Morriss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> There's an issue that bothers me from time to time: the longevity of HPR
> shows.
> 
> Many shows have notes that refer to external websites. Sometimes the
> references are to supplementary material such as Amazon links, the site
> with details of the thing being talked about, pictures or scripts made
> by the host, links to Git (or other) repositories, etc.
> 
> The issue is that HPR shows have a long life, and we want them to
> continue to live on as long as possible -- with their notes. Currently
> all shows are on the HPR website and 2000+ are on archive.org. The
> oldest show is dated December 2007. In that sort of time scale external
> references can disappear.
> 
> If a referenced item is unavailable, and I spot it, I try and find it on
> "The Wayback Machine" and make a copy on the HPR server. I then edit the
> notes, comment out the original link and point to the copy, usually with
> an "Editor's Note". This is quite a lot of work.
> 
> Also, in order to make the archive.org copies of HPR shows as
> self-contained as possible I have been copying all of the components and
> adjusting notes to refer to these copies. The original method of
> uploading just left the original links to the HPR site in the notes.
> 
> Here are a few anecdotes that I remember that might clarify things:
> 
> - A show on compilers by sigflup (1128) contained figures in the form of
> JPEG images which had vanished. The images were on the Wayback Machine,
> and were copied as described.
> 
> - Jon Kulp's show 1282 contained a reference to an album of pictures on
> his server. The server died but Jon was able to recover the pictures. I
> placed them on the HPR server and referenced them from the episode.
> 
> - My own show 1204 contained links to a repository on Gitorious, which
> has since disappeared. I edited my notes to refer to the the copy of the
> repo which I had made on GitLab.
> 
> So, here's my request: can we make efforts to reduce the "vulnerability"
> of shows to unavailable links in the future?
> 
> Discuss please :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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My mind is going to about a thousand different places.  Before I write 
paragraphs of theoretical responses, what are your proposal for parameters to 
keep episodes self-contained, Dave?

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