Hi All,
I think I understand the issue here, and correct me if I'm wrong.
The fear is that the janitors are contacting the hosts directly to have
them self censor their shows.
As we have mentioned several times on the Community News, we assist
hosts with their uploads. This also extends to protecting the hosts as
much as possible. For example preventing leaking of the hosts location
hpr3564 Removing EXIF data from an image by Dave Morriss
<https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3564>.
Due to our policy where "We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way
censor any of the audio you submit, we trust you to do that.
<https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated>",
issues often will only come to light after we post the show to the
future feed. An example would be 10 minutes of silence in the middle of
the show, but it can often be violation of some policy or other.
When we notice or are informed of issues, we will take up contact with
the host to see what they wish to do. Sometimes the hosts will supply us
with a new version, or they may ask us to release the slot so they can
upload the show later. And sometimes they do not agree with us, and when
that happens we inform them that we need to bring the issue to the
Mailing list. Eg [Hpr] Should we reject a show with copyrighted fair use
clips in it ?
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2019-May/014446.html>
But as Rho`n rightly points out - how do the HPR community know this for
certain ? This is a valid concern and should be addressed. Who watches
the watch ?
Any thoughts or ideas ?
--
Regards,
Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
On 2022-03-22 16:25, Ken Fallon wrote:
Hi Rho`n,
In this situation, we have no information to make an informed decision.
Correct.
We have to trust the Janitors claim that there is a technical reason
to do so.
I reread the email thread and I cannot see anywhere that I suggested
the nature of the issue was technical or otherwise. I want to make it
very clear that I am deliberately not saying if it is a technical
decision or a content decision.
The vote is basically a confirmation that we trust the janitor's
judgement on what the technical reason is.
No it's allowing time for the host to get back to us.
If we are taking a hands off approach to all issues to avoid any
taint of censorship, then we should not postpone any shows unless the
host has agreed.
The whole point is that I cannot get in contact with the host. The
last communication from them said that they would host it somewhere
else so people can choose to listen if they like, and that they would
mention it on their next HPR show. My last communication to them was
to ask if they will be uploading a new version of the show.
If *we* take the decision to allow the show to be released to the main
feed, and the host did not want it posted, then *they* have to live
with the consequences of our decision. That is not fair.
Following the above argument, I don't consent to move the show.
Please don't take this as a lack of trust in the Janitors.
Incorrect. Do not trust them.
As my first response puts much trust in them. I can see Ken's worry
of just moving things without a notice, and I think moving it with a
post to the mailing list that it is being moved for technical reasons
would give: one, a chance for someone to object, and two, provide an
audit trail if an issue of censorship does come up.
I always cc the Admin mail list on these communications so there is an
audit trail. I would like more people to join the list but due to the
volume of mails people tend to unsubscribe after a time. "Anyone who
has shown a long term dedication to the project and is trusted by the
community, can become an admin".
<https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#governance>
Say every other post by Rho`n suddenly gets postponed ;) I feel at
this point a vote doesn't provide much more protection from a
censorship claim than just a post to the mailing list that it is
going to happen.
Would Rho`n not send an email to the mail list and ask why their shows
get postponed ? As I did when HPR started to podfade. Would word not
leak out that there was a question of censorship on HPR ? Surely it
would appear on twitter, mastodon, irc, matrix, not to mention other
Podcasts ? Like it did when Klaatu mentioned on GWO that I asked him
to replace a scary image on his avatar.
In this case you would hear from the host themselves that they tried
to post the show to HPR but decided to move it elsewhere.
Regards,
Ken.
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