Hi All,
With permission, I am posting the email and my response to the Linux Inlaws.
Your comments are welcome
Ken.
On 16 Aug 2022, at 20:55, Ken Fallon <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Lads,
As I think you are aware a discussion was carried out on the mail
list[1] following my request to clarify the nature of HPR. The community
is of the opinion that we are not a podcast hosting platform, and do not
"host" podcasts. All our series are considered to be episodes that are
part of the HPR podcast. This puts your show at odds with our rule:
"only releasing material created exclusively for HPR.[2]". As we have
applied this rule a lot in the past, we cannot make an exception here.
So if you wish to continue to post to HPR, then you need to ensure that
your content is produced exclusively for HPR.
If you decide not to follow this path, then your future episodes will
need to be hosted elsewhere. As your content is Creative Commons, then
the Internet Archive would seem to be the logical place to host the
shows. We are obviously willing to assist with the transition. We can
also add your show to https://freeculturepodcasts.org/, which by default
gets you exposure at any of the Fests that our contributors attend. We
can also send out notices to the other people we know who maintain FLOSS
podcast lists. Given a lot of people are subscribing to your series RSS
feed (?series=111), we can hard code a redirect to
https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml, and that way you don't lose any
dedicated subscribers. We will also be sure to remind people to add your
feed in the upcoming community news.
I know this is not great news for you, and I am not enjoying being the
messenger.
OK well tell me what you decide and as always you can bypass us and
bring this up on the mailing list[1], or you can contact the smaller
group of Auditors ([email protected]) to discuss it with
them in private.
[1]
http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2022-August/015343.html
[2] https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication
On 2022-08-17 11:15, Linuxinlaws wrote:
Hi Ken,
We certainly followed the discussion on the mailing list - with
growing disbelief tbh - and as yet have not commented. As LinuxInlaws
we applaud the democratic approach by listening to the community. At
the same time we have to ask ourselves, can a handful of people
commenting on a mailing be considered the whole community? As you
well know, the silent majority tend not to comment on mailing lists.
That being said, we also need to look at the actual arguments being
made “HPR is not a podcasting platform and doesn’t allow
syndication”. We fully agree and comply with this, as far as the
LinuxInlaws are concerned, we are a series on HPR - just like many
others. To argue the case:
All our content is exclusively produced for and released on HPR
Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many serial
content producers on HPR. Our website is supporting only and does not
host and recordings.
Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same from the
start so why the sudden change of direction for HPR.
We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us no
different to other series producers on HPR.
More than happy to discuss. We greatly appreciate HPR and would
prefer to remain a part of it.
Martin and Chris.
My response to the points are as follows:
/> "At the same time we have to ask ourselves, can a handful of people
commenting on a mailing be considered the whole community?"/
How we operate as a community is described here
https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#governance. These emails are
also brought to the attention of the entire community every first Monday
of the month in the Community News show. There the community in it's
entirety can and do provide comments. Any proposals on improvements are
welcome.
/> "Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many serial
content producers on HPR."/
Please give me an example of a show or series on HPR that has it's own
intro and outro, operates it's own website, has it's own feed that posts
shows prior to them been aired on HPR. They will also qualify as
syndicated shows and will be treated according to the same rules.
https://hackerpublicradio.org/series.php
/> "//Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same from
the start/"
We made you aware of the rule in the welcome email I send to new hosts:
Are you planning on releasing exclusively on HPR or are you planning on
hosting your own podcast ?
If the former then no problem. If you are planning your own show then
I'm posting one sample episode under the rules
http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication
If you are doing your own show we will be happy to add your site and
feed to thehttp://freeculturepodcasts.org/ list.
You did not answer the question in your response, and as you did not
have a website in operation at the time you were given the benefit of
the doubt. In the subsequent time there has been some disambiguity as to
the interpretation of what hosting and your relationship with HPR
actually is.
/> "//so why the sudden change of direction for HPR./"
Because of your statement in "hpr3649 :: Linux Inlaws S01E61: 20 years
in review hosted by monochromec".
/"Chris: If we take a look at Archive.org. For the last one year and a
half we clock in on average between 1,500 and 2,500 listeners.
Given the fact that *we have launched this podcast *short of 2 and a
half years ago, that's quite amazing." /
You therefore consider yourselves a podcast, and HPR to be a "/podcast
hosting platform depending on your perspective/"
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658.
> "/All our content is exclusively produced for and released on HPR/".
And yet your website says "/All episodes are hosted on Hacker Public
Radio for now./"
https://linuxinlaws.eu/#episodes
> "/We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us no
different to other series producers on HPR."/
I am very sorry that you feel that way but you are not the first and
won't be the last podcast to have this rule applied. At the time we had
to drop three shows from the podcast and we have turned away more than
20 different podcasts since then.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2012-October/011545.html
I can assure you that I would have preferred this to have been dealt
with at the beginning.
Ken.
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