The "HPR syndication policy" was designed to stop other podcasts from
monopolizing slots on the HPR queue.
> Question 1 - What would it take to get the Linux Inlaws into
compliance with the HPR syndication policy?
Stop been a podcast, start posting shows. Consider shows from Klaatu or
Knightwise - do you ever have any difficulty knowing if their shows were
intended for HPR or if they were from their own podcast ?
> Question 2 - Is a HPR host having a separate website to promote their
HPR episodes OK?
Of course. Have a look at Ahuka,
https://www.zwilnik.com/hacker-public-radio/
In fact when he submits a show and posts there, we see several hundred
redirects from his site to HPR.
> Question 3 - Many HPR episodes are audio versions of a web page
previously published by the host. Does an audio version of an existing
web page (Verbatim or summarized) meet the requirement of "material
created exclusively for HPR"?
Probably not because it is there content and they are creating a new
medium for HPR. Take the DOS series, that was posted years ago, but the
shows were recorded for HPR. However it would be on a case by case basis.
> The biggest issue I see is the separate Linux inlaws feed with
unpublished HPR episodes. What if they replaced their feed
(https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml) with the HPR Series feed?
No that is not the biggest issue. The biggest issue is that we have been
turning other podcasts away for the same reasons that we're turning the
Linux Inlaws away.
We do not syndicate podcasts on HPR. So is the Linux InLaws a Podcast ?
To use the saying "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and
quacks like a duck, it's a duck.".
Ken.
On 2022-08-17 16:58, Todd wrote:
I have a few questions about the syndication policy. Hopefully I am
not over complicating the issue.
Question 1 - What would it take to get the Linux Inlaws into
compliance with the HPR syndication policy?
The biggest issue I see is the separate Linux inlaws feed with
unpublished HPR episodes.
What if they replaced their feed
(https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml) with the HPR Series feed?
Question 2 - Is a HPR host having a separate website to promote their
HPR episodes OK?
Question 3 - Many HPR episodes are audio versions of a web page
previously published by the host. Does an audio version of an
existing web page (Verbatim or summarized) meet the requirement of
"material created exclusively for HPR"?
On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 6:56 AM Ken Fallon <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All,
With permission, I am posting the email and my response to the
Linux Inlaws.
Your comments are welcome
Ken.
On 16 Aug 2022, at 20:55, Ken Fallon <[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Lads,
As I think you are aware a discussion was carried out on the mail
list[1] following my request to clarify the nature of HPR. The
community is of the opinion that we are not a podcast hosting
platform, and do not "host" podcasts. All our series are
considered to be episodes that are part of the HPR podcast. This
puts your show at odds with our rule: "only releasing material
created exclusively for HPR.[2]". As we have applied this rule a
lot in the past, we cannot make an exception here. So if you wish
to continue to post to HPR, then you need to ensure that your
content is produced exclusively for HPR.
If you decide not to follow this path, then your future episodes
will need to be hosted elsewhere. As your content is Creative
Commons, then the Internet Archive would seem to be the logical
place to host the shows. We are obviously willing to assist with
the transition. We can also add your show to
https://freeculturepodcasts.org/, which by default gets you
exposure at any of the Fests that our contributors attend. We can
also send out notices to the other people we know who maintain
FLOSS podcast lists. Given a lot of people are subscribing to your
series RSS feed (?series=111), we can hard code a redirect to
https://linuxinlaws.eu/inlaws_rss.xml, and that way you don't lose
any dedicated subscribers. We will also be sure to remind people
to add your feed in the upcoming community news.
I know this is not great news for you, and I am not enjoying being
the messenger.
OK well tell me what you decide and as always you can bypass us
and bring this up on the mailing list[1], or you can contact the
smaller group of Auditors ([email protected]) to
discuss it with them in private.
[1]
http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2022-August/015343.html
[2]
https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication
On 2022-08-17 11:15, Linuxinlaws wrote:
Hi Ken,
We certainly followed the discussion on the mailing list - with
growing disbelief tbh - and as yet have not commented. As
LinuxInlaws we applaud the democratic approach by listening to
the community. At the same time we have to ask ourselves, can a
handful of people commenting on a mailing be considered the
whole community? As you well know, the silent majority tend not
to comment on mailing lists.
That being said, we also need to look at the actual arguments
being made “HPR is not a podcasting platform and doesn’t allow
syndication”. We fully agree and comply with this, as far as the
LinuxInlaws are concerned, we are a series on HPR - just like
many others. To argue the case:
All our content is exclusively produced for and released on HPR
Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many serial
content producers on HPR. Our website is supporting only and
does not host and recordings.
Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same
from the start so why the sudden change of direction for HPR.
We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us no
different to other series producers on HPR.
More than happy to discuss. We greatly appreciate HPR and would
prefer to remain a part of it.
Martin and Chris.
My response to the points are as follows:
/> "At the same time we have to ask ourselves, can a handful of
people commenting on a mailing be considered the whole community?"/
How we operate as a community is described here
https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.php#governance. These emails
are also brought to the attention of the entire community every
first Monday of the month in the Community News show. There the
community in it's entirety can and do provide comments. Any
proposals on improvements are welcome.
/> "Yes, we have a website but the same can be said for many
serial content producers on HPR."/
Please give me an example of a show or series on HPR that has it's
own intro and outro, operates it's own website, has it's own feed
that posts shows prior to them been aired on HPR. They will also
qualify as syndicated shows and will be treated according to the
same rules.
https://hackerpublicradio.org/series.php
/> "//Our set-up and the way we publish material has been the same
from the start/"
We made you aware of the rule in the welcome email I send to new
hosts:
Are you planning on releasing exclusively on HPR or are you planning on
hosting your own podcast ?
If the former then no problem. If you are planning your own show then
I'm posting one sample episode under the rules
http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#syndication
If you are doing your own show we will be happy to add your site and
feed to thehttp://freeculturepodcasts.org/ list.
You did not answer the question in your response, and as you did
not have a website in operation at the time you were given the
benefit of the doubt. In the subsequent time there has been some
disambiguity as to the interpretation of what hosting and your
relationship with HPR actually is.
/> "//so why the sudden change of direction for HPR./"
Because of your statement in "hpr3649 :: Linux Inlaws S01E61: 20
years in review hosted by monochromec".
/"Chris: If we take a look at Archive.org. For the last one year
and a half we clock in on average between 1,500 and 2,500 listeners.
Given the fact that *we have launched this podcast *short of 2 and
a half years ago, that's quite amazing." /
You therefore consider yourselves a podcast, and HPR to be a
"/podcast hosting platform depending on your perspective/"
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=3658.
> "/All our content is exclusively produced for and released on
HPR/".
And yet your website says "/All episodes are hosted on Hacker
Public Radio for now./"
https://linuxinlaws.eu/#episodes
> "/We feel rather singled-out in this discussion and consider us
no different to other series producers on HPR."/
I am very sorry that you feel that way but you are not the first
and won't be the last podcast to have this rule applied. At the
time we had to drop three shows from the podcast and we have
turned away more than 20 different podcasts since then.
http://hackerpublicradio.org/pipermail/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org/2012-October/011545.html
I can assure you that I would have preferred this to have been
dealt with at the beginning.
Ken.
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