I think it would be ideal if people who act like a prick were just told off repeatedly in public until they either adjust or leave on their own, but I understand this may not always work out, and the desire to keep the environment friendly is legitimate, especially at this time, because of the work that several people put into promoting HPR at FOSDEM.

I really appreciate the janitors' efforts to accommodate mechatroniac, so that we can all enjoy his contributions. It shows a strong commitment to retaining every host, and it seems like it would have been much easier for them to ask for support for a ban. If they're willing to moderate him, so be it.

It's worth mentioning too that the message that started all this was completely off topic for this mailing list, and might have made sense on IRC or the matrix channel, where maybe it would even have been tolerated.

Thanks,
-dnt


On 2/18/23 09:03, Ken Fallon wrote:
Hi All,

There is the long standing policy on HPR about moderation <https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated> saying "/We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of the audio you submit//, we trust you to do that/". We were asked a few times at FOSDEM as to how we can get away without moderating. I pointed out the most important bit of that policy: namely the "/we trust you to do that"/ part, and that the community understand this responsibility.

If we imagine for a moment HPR been a great theater where each show has their own hall. In your hall you will not be moderated but we trust you not to say or do anything that will get us into trouble. If you are dealing with some topics of a delicate nature, you make sure that you take every reasonable step to ensure that people do not accidentally stumble on this. We do not want anyone to be in a situation where they are exposed to an unsavory experience.

We go on to say "Please note that this only relates to the audio you upload. The rest of the meta-data (branding/summaries/tags/show notes/etc.), are managed by the HPR Community, and *may* be edited." To use our theater analogy from before, outside the hall the janitors ensure that the entire theater is kept welcoming to all.

One of our contributors is having a difficult time with this responsibility, not only within their shows, but also in their show notes, in the comments, and now on the mailing list. I can understand that this may be difficult for them, but a lot of leniency has been given over the years. At a particular point you have to accept that even more help is required in showing what is the best way to interact with a community.

Therefore I wish to propose that until trust can be reestablished, all submissions by Mechatroniac (aka anarch0re) to the mail list will be approved by the Janitors. We will take up contact with him in cases where the content may cause offense. We have had some success with this approach with him before. This will not apply to anyone else.

All our actions will of course be overseen by the HPR Auditors who are volunteer community members outside the Janitor/Admin team.

--
Regards,

Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon


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