Hi folky (and list)
The email itself fails JWP's "Would you say that in front of Granny"
test, but for me it's the off mail list response to jezra which is the
straw that broke the camels back.
Jezra handled it correctly and has been around long enough to know that
the Community is behind him.
Imagine that you had just joined the mail list, and the first post you
got was that.
Say you were brave enough to call him out, and you got attacked like
that in a private email. It's possible we would never even know.
The janitors have had to deal with a lot worse from this contributor, in
the form of trolling behavior, illegal content, other cases of
directing attacks to people who question his behavior.
The excuse that he was not aware that he was replying to the person
directly cuts no ice with me any more.
So enough is enough.
His behavior is not helping grow the the community
We put in a lot of effort to make this a welcoming place for people that
might be scared to do their first show.
Just this month we expect new contributors because a lot of HPR people,
at their own personal expense, put in the time and effort to represent
us at FOSDEM.
The annoying part is that Mechatroniac (aka anarch0re) produces good
shows and is a valuable member of the community.
Phrased differently no one would have any problem with the question.
--
Regards,
Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
On 2023-02-18 16:23, Bernhard M. wrote:
I shook my head about the mail on the choice of distribution, but I
think this still is in the grey zone between good taste and
intolerable. Or is there something worse you already stopped, Ken?
I really didn't like the tone
anarch0re was using,
but it's a question of style.
/folky
18 feb. 2023 16:04:53 Ken Fallon <[email protected]>:
Hi All,
There is the long standing policy on HPR about moderation
<https://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#not_moderated>
saying "/We do not vet, edit, moderate or in any way censor any of
the audio you submit//, we trust you to do that/". We were asked a
few times at FOSDEM as to how we can get away without moderating.
I pointed out the most important bit of that policy: namely the
"/we trust you to do that"/ part, and that the community
understand this responsibility.
If we imagine for a moment HPR been a great theater where each
show has their own hall. In your hall you will not be moderated
but we trust you not to say or do anything that will get us into
trouble. If you are dealing with some topics of a delicate nature,
you make sure that you take every reasonable step to ensure that
people do not accidentally stumble on this. We do not want anyone
to be in a situation where they are exposed to an unsavory experience.
We go on to say "Please note that this only relates to the audio
you upload. The rest of the meta-data
(branding/summaries/tags/show notes/etc.), are managed by the HPR
Community, and *may* be edited." To use our theater analogy from
before, outside the hall the janitors ensure that the entire
theater is kept welcoming to all.
One of our contributors is having a difficult time with this
responsibility, not only within their shows, but also in their
show notes, in the comments, and now on the mailing list. I can
understand that this may be difficult for them, but a lot of
leniency has been given over the years. At a particular point you
have to accept that even more help is required in showing what is
the best way to interact with a community.
Therefore I wish to propose that until trust can be reestablished,
all submissions by Mechatroniac (aka anarch0re) to the mail list
will be approved by the Janitors. We will take up contact with him
in cases where the content may cause offense. We have had some
success with this approach with him before. This will not apply to
anyone else.
All our actions will of course be overseen by the HPR Auditors who
are volunteer community members outside the Janitor/Admin team.
--
Regards,
Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
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