Q: @ How can you keep repeating the tinnitus is because of something??? Dee - you make me wary of posting, with questions like this- Of course it's because of something, or anything come to that- as it's not fully understood. Connections of it to meds are well known and listed in the patient data.
On May 13, 4:21 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > Patty The link wouldn't work for me It redirected me then said > cannot find server > in that link of yours of "Biological Effects of Microwaves: Thermal > and Nonthermal Mechanisms, > Can you try and repost it please? Thanks > On May 11, 7:26 am, > > > > > > > Mechanisms,atty <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all; Just thought I'd add another paper that has a mention of > > tinnitus: Biological Effects of Microwaves: Thermal and Nonthermal > > Mechanisms, > > By John Michael Williams found it on my way to exploring the physics > > of the situation.http://128.84.158.114/pdf/physics/0102007 > > > From the conclusion pg. 39, (which doesn't mention the tinnitus, but > > does mention in the paper) > > Bothersome or unhealthful effects of EMR within thermal safety limits > > have been demonstrated empirically and are supported theoretically. > > The microwave spectrum in certain bands, or under certain conditions, > > probably should be treated more like a pharmacist's shelf than the > > termperature knob on an oven. > > Decisions as to safety should be steered by persons more knowledgeable > > in medicine than has been the case in the past. > > > It does make mention of tinnitus and the possibility of other high > > pitch frequencies that may have been mistaken for tinnitus. > > The paper did make me think of a different high pitch I've heard over > > my life time - it never stayed very long though. > > > Just another human with another day > > Patty > > > On May 9, 1:46 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Trev Are you inferring your tinnitus is known to come and go because > > > of blood pressure medicine??? > > > > On May 8, 2:47 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Tinnitus? > > > > It comes and goes with BP meds, for a starter.[Known for it] > > > > Also ,I've had 'it' years before Hum kicked in. > > > > > As for victims- I object to the dysfunctional handle, rather than the > > > > true 'functional'. > > > > > On May 8, 6:45 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > No it didn't sound like a case of blaming the victim just not blaming > > > > > an industry > > > > > How can you be sure you actually have HF tinnitus when they are > > > > > admitting in this 2009 study that The pathophysiology is still > > > > > incompletely understood. ??? > > > > > > On May 7, 4:28 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sounds like a case of blaming the victim! > > > > > > I suffer from HF tinnitus and never previously or recently thought > > > > > > it > > > > > > has anything to do with EM sensitivity,as such. > > > > > > They may well co-exist- that is something different! > > > > > > Recently , I travelled away some distance and the Hum stopped , but > > > > > > not the tinnitus- that's mine, > > > > > > The Hummmm is somebody elses.... > > > > > > > On May 7, 4:43 am, dboots <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > CONCLUSIONS: Our data indicate that tinnitus is associated with > > > > > > > subjective electromagnetic hypersensitivity. > > > > > > > > PLoS One. 2009;4(3):e5026. Epub 2009 Mar 27 > > > > > > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19325894?ordinalpos=1&itool=Entrez... > > > > > > > > Association of tinnitus and electromagnetic hypersensitivity: > > > > > > > hints > > > > > > > for a shared pathophysiology? > > > > > > > Landgrebe M, Frick U, Hauser S, Hajak G, Langguth B. > > > > > > > Department of Psychiatry, Psychosomatics, and Psychotherapy, > > > > > > > University of Regensburg, Regensburg, Germany. > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > BACKGROUND: Tinnitus is a frequent condition with high morbidity > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > impairment in quality of life. The pathophysiology is still > > > > > > > incompletely understood. Electromagnetic fields are discussed to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > involved in the multi-factorial pathogenesis of tinnitus, but data > > > > > > > proofing this relationship are very limited. Potential health > > > > > > > hazards > > > > > > > of electromagnetic fields (EMF) have been under discussion for > > > > > > > long. > > > > > > > Especially, individuals claiming themselves to be electromagnetic > > > > > > > hypersensitive suffer from a variety of unspecific symptoms, which > > > > > > > they attribute to EMF-exposure. The aim of the study was to > > > > > > > elucidate > > > > > > > the relationship between EMF-exposure, electromagnetic > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus using a case-control design. > > > > > > > METHODOLOGY: Tinnitus occurrence and tinnitus severity were > > > > > > > assessed > > > > > > > by questionnaires in 89 electromagnetic hypersensitive patients > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 107 controls matched for age-, gender, living surroundings and > > > > > > > workplace. Using a logistic regression approach, potential risk > > > > > > > factors for the development of tinnitus were evaluated. FINDINGS: > > > > > > > Tinnitus was significantly more frequent in the electromagnetic > > > > > > > hypersensitive group (50.72% vs. 17.5%) whereas tinnitus duration > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > severity did not differ between groups. Electromagnetic > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus were independent risk factors for > > > > > > > sleep > > > > > > > disturbances.. However, measures of individual EMF-exposure like > > > > > > > e.g. > > > > > > > cell phone use did not show any association with tinnitus. > > > > > > > CONCLUSIONS: Our data indicate that tinnitus is associated with > > > > > > > subjective electromagnetic hypersensitivity. An individual > > > > > > > vulnerability probably due to an over activated cortical distress > > > > > > > network seems to be responsible for, both, electromagnetic > > > > > > > hypersensitivity and tinnitus. Hence, therapeutic efforts should > > > > > > > focus > > > > > > > on treatment strategies (e.g. cognitive behavioral therapy) > > > > > > > aiming at > > > > > > > normalizing this dysfunctional distress network. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > > > > > Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en. > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]. > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "Hum Sufferers" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]. > > > For more options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en.-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Hum Sufferers" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Hum Sufferers" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/hum-sufferers?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. 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