Vic's software replicates the low freq wobulations that I've seen earlier, maybe in the early days on here. Very powerful suite and, if you're technical in any way, will have no trouble seeing the waterfall efffect.The bar at low freqs however is less distracting than the straight graph and gives a spot reading in tune with hum.[assuming it is 'warbling', like mine] Now, Vic may have a particular set of special circumstances where he is and the depth of analysis needed from outside is probably too much for me to judge the veracity of what is happening out there. Nothing wrong with the hypothesis in principle, that I can see- though whether it applies equally everywhere hasn't been established. Once proof of feasibility is established, the floodgates can open, though as a minority group we have to be realistic in that most of possible millions of hearers aren't seeing themselves as victims One problem is that ,like Fluoride intake, the effect of long term exposure mitigates against any action from the exposee. Hum can be debilitating, as we know and also, with the impetus that technology has gained, likely to take some time to pin down and defuse. Meanwhile, all power to Vic in his struggle to get heard.
On Dec 24, 1:23 am, Vic <[email protected]> wrote: > Why doesn't any but Trev get this? Trev.......tell this guy. > > Steve - Go try DSSF3 - FFT is only part of the issue. This suite of > programs is free for a month and has more tools than I've ever seen > anywhere in one package. Take you 1/2 hour to pin it ALL down. > > We are not dealing with a straight forward ANYTHING here. We are > dealing with sub-subharmonic hybrid LF sine waves caused by > commutation of thyristors. The band-pass filters are used for single > and 3-phase phase balancing so that the B-PLC SCADA system can inject > its modulated carrier wave. You don't NEED any measurement filters to > get this noise, just a straight mic. The noise is audible and as real > as anything else out there. This has nothing to do with peaks, > especially not 60Hz. Has everything to do with interphasic reactance, > sub/interharmonic and power sine wave reactance, amplification of > hybrid emmisions, and attenuation. i.e There is a reason WHY "they" > are trying to get rid of phase shift and attenuation. It does cost a > lot of $$ to accomplish. > > Everybody wants to do their own thing - That's why nobody has ever > nailed this down. Simple instructions as in the above posts just > simply get ignored. DUH..... > > What WE ALL hear is between 15 and 30Hz REAL noise folks! No mystery, > magic, ghosts, or otherwise. Now let's all go and file some legal > complaints here now that we have the tools to produce the evidence to > back up our claims. > > On Dec 23, 5:01 pm, Steve K <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Agree with the use of FFT, spectrograph to understand and demonstrate > > the presense of ILFN hum. Measurements from what appears no to little > > hum seem to only be slightly less than a good rant hum and "tingle" > > vibrations. After analyzing the FFT for 1.5 years at varying levels > > from 0 to 10, with simple equipment, it appears more that the db > > fluctuations from Peak to Peak have far more control of hum than the > > ave amplitude. Quiter days have less P-P spread and excitment than > > high hum days. > > > Will have to try th pillow filter on the next test of spectral > > characteristics for my hum breaker the "ceiling fan". Initial testing > > definitly shows a freq pattern change that seems to break th activity > > of teh hum characteristics. Of course you get a tonal 60 HZ peak, but > > it's oothing > > > On Dec 22, 9:31 am, Vic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The "providers" of the Hum; "them" or "they"; are quite aware of the > > > "special effects" that their products and installations cause. Not > > > talking with regard to the "the guy on the tools" here, but rather the > > > "suits" that make the big decisions - And they are not about to give > > > away the fact that they do know or the extent of these effects. > > > > There may be no justice, but there is the law. > > > > Problem is, the "Hearer" has to find out where this junk is > > > originating before the laws can be applied. And we ain't about to get > > > any help in that respect. > > > > The Laws of Physics are universal. Reference points; frequencies, > > > values, I/O, ON/OFF; have been applied to their subject by humans. > > > Humans have been known to make mistakes. However, this "Hum" in its > > > entirety is not an error, it's about making big money for the > > > few....."Them". > > > > Remember here, "they" and governments are one and the same. > > > > On Dec 22, 1:35 am, Trev <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I don't think the Schmitt trigger applies to my hum, it is not > > > > hairline threshold- rather more drifting in intensity and faint > > > > modulation over long periods. I could see that thresholds with fast > > > > wave-front capability may be implicated in microwave hearing- but then > > > > again that's not generally what we are all talking around in 'steady > > > > hum'. > > > > Age is a big factor- and most people put on weight with age, also. > > > > I agree with Vic here on the 'norm' being a blind alley , as it is an > > > > escape route for rogues who use bad reference points to obscure the > > > > basics, never mind the special effects dept we live in! > > > > The rogues here are not the providers of hum- they are mostly probably > > > > unaware of the downside to their businesses and have a job to do. > > > > [Black projects excepted] > > > > No, I mean the people who are capable of nailing the problem- like > > > > environmental consultants, health pro's [and yes! Gov'ts] etc who all > > > > have the corporate links which 'de-tunes' them as we 'tune up' to the > > > > intrusive noise. > > > > The ironic filings in your demo show up well, Vic! I think they spell > > > > 'very hacked off'. > > > > > On Dec 22, 3:50 am, Vic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > "The Norm" - This excellent reference point (not) is based on the > > > > > hearing of a cognizant child's brain/hearing mechanism NOT hearing a > > > > > sonic wave in the atmosphere at 1KHz; which he would interpret as 0dB > > > > > (non-weighted). > > > > > > Yep, there's definitely something wrong with all of us that hear this > > > > > darn Hum alright! > > > > > > On Dec 21, 3:06 am, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On the question of the Hum being either on or off. Consider the > > > > > > possibility of the individual having a threshold level, which acts > > > > > > something like a Schmitt trigger. If the Hum energy or the > > > > > > sensitivity > > > > > > of the individual goes above or below this level it would give the > > > > > > impression of the Hum being switched on and off. We must remember at > > > > > > all times that we are not the norm, over ninety per cent of the > > > > > > population do not hear this thing. For many people the Hum begins > > > > > > quite suddenly with a change of age and for a few people who had > > > > > > suffered for many years, it disappeared just as suddenly. I asked > > > > > > some > > > > > > of these sufferers to think very hard and make a note of any changes > > > > > > which took place in their homes or their locality or in themselves > > > > > > and > > > > > > the only answer that I got was that they had put on weight. > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2:02 am, Vic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Some that make recording attempts of these low-frequency sonic > > > > > > > waves > > > > > > > probably succeed to some extent. However, from experience I, for > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > am aware that equipment is manufactured to only record sound that > > > > > > > occurs in the "normal" band of human hearing. Manufacturers are > > > > > > > hardly > > > > > > > going to produce products that don't sell in the millions- Supply > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Demand - Particularly in our present "New World Order" where > > > > > > > Chinese > > > > > > > factories are tailor-made to fit the multitude of consumers in the > > > > > > > West. > > > > > > > > To do the job right, you need the right tools.......... > > > > > > > > These successful (together with the unsuccessfulful) recorders > > > > > > > make 2 > > > > > > > fatal mistakes: No reference frequency and playback speaker > > > > > > > choice.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hum Sufferers" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. 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