Hi Cecilia (for the US HG list (Alden's list), I am sending a copy to you of this message, I know you would be interested)
I don't have any information on Clastrier's method - I've seen it live when I visited Germán Diaz's home in Santiago de Compostela. It looks quite impressive. It shouldn't be that difficult to find more information on that method. About the method written in Catalan, sorry, I got confused with the names. It was not written by the great HGer Adria Grandia, but by the also great HGer MARC EGEA. It can be purchased here - in the link below you will find all information in English, with a detailed description of the 116-page method: http://www.dinsic.com/en/publications/publications-subject-areas/music-schools-and-conservatories/elementary-level/iniciacio-a-la-viola-de-roda It is 20 Euros and is written in Catalan, a mixture of Spanish and French for those who don't know it, it is not that difficult to follow if you know a little of any of those two languages or both. it is full of pictures and music scores, and a lot of discussion on coup de poignet. You can check a 17-page long PDF preview on the link below, that include the index, the introduction, parts of two lessons, a VERY good bibliography and discography and a music sheet or two. It is available in at least one of the two links below http://www.dinsic.com/en/content/download/21624/295049/file/Tripa-VioladeRodamostra.pdf http://www.ars-antiqva.com/contents/es/1010.080001%20Egea%20Zanfona%20maetodo.pdf I hope all will enjoy it! Augusto Brazil On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Cecilia Patko <[email protected]> wrote: > Augusto, > > Thanks, Scott used to have links to these, from the links page, but they > got lost when he was 'tidying up' the Forum. Can you post the links please? > > Cecilia > > --- In [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>, > Augusto de Ornellas Abreu <augusto.ornel...@...> wrote: > > > > Have you people had the chance to see other methods, like the ones by > > > > - Valentin Clastrier (in french) > > - Adria Grandia (in catalan) > > > > have you? > > > > I have heard great things about them... > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Colin <c...@...> wrote: > > > > > Yes, as guessed, the "reading" was, indeed from the Doreen Muskett - > > > Hurdy Gurdy Method available here: > > > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hurdy-gurdy-Method-Doreen-Muskett/dp/0946993076 > > > BUT I would order it direct from Michael himself (see his post below). > > > I also highly recommend the CD that goes with it (nice to actually HEAR > how > > > things should sound) that's not available via Amazon as far as I know. > > > It's easy to forget that newcomers to the list may not realise just how > > > important this book is - especially so for those who don't have a HG > player > > > near to them and some may not even know it's there. > > > Ok, here's the plug (and I do mean it) > > > It's worth every penny! Buy one right away if you haven't already :-) > > > Sorry, I am always a little reticent about naming names but, of course, > > > that shouldn't have stopped me in this case. > > > My apologies Michael. > > > > > > Colin Hill > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > *From:* Michael Muskett <mich...@...> > > > *To:* > > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 11:29 AM > > > *Subject:* [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Hello an introduction > > > > > > Colin, > > > Your coy remark that you had done 'a little reading' caught my eye and > I > > > wondered why you did not give the attribution, which would surely be of > help > > > to Hannah as my book has been to so many others. > > > We are all in the business of developing our instrument and there is no > > > room here for partisanship. > > > I long ago had the intention of making a CD similar to Neal's creation > but > > > lacked the opportunity, but I welcome his achievement for I think the > > > combination of book and CD will be of great help to anyone studying the > > > hurdy-gurdy. > > > Incidentally, many people order Methods through shops, but not only > will > > > they get quicker service ordering direct from me but I should also gain > a > > > little more remuneration for my work. > > > Michael > > > > > > --- In > > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> > <HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>, > > > "Colin" <c.hl@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As a still relative newbie to all this and therefore remembering my > first > > > play, there is one thing that needs asking. > > > > Are you turning the wheel fast enough? > > > > I know it sounds daft but, with a new instrument (particularly if > you've > > > never played one before), one can be over gentle and turn the wheel too > > > slowly. > > > > > > > > The bad noise actually makes you wary of doing anything else in case > the > > > entire thing blows up! > > > > I remember my first play on mine (cats trapped under the door) > although > > > the drones were sounding fine and it took a little reading up to know > that I > > > was hardly turning the wheel at all. I was turning about once every 6 > -10 > > > seconds. > > > > That was around 6 - 10 times slower than I should have been. > > > > A little more courage and the sound suddenly started. > > > > I'm sure it's not this but it's just something I found with my HG > when I > > > first played it (never even seen one before I got it, let alone played > one). > > > > At least it's easy to test before getting the scraper out :) > > > > Colin Hill > > > > > > > > > > > > From: roddy.mckenzie > > > > To: > > > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> > <HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:51 PM > > > > Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Hello an introduction > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Hannah > > > > It may be me that posted some of the scathing remarks.Sorry I really > > > don't know how to be gentle about this but I just got one and got it > very > > > cheaply too. I think it was an unwanted item possibly a return as it > came > > > from a shipping company. Still in its packing crate although they said > it > > > was second hand.I am glad it was so cheap because compared to my others > it > > > really is of poor quality. > > > > I am sorry to be so brutal about this. Seriously I would return it to > > > them if you did not try it out before hand.You could get one of Helmut > > > Gotschy's beautiful historically accurate instruments (just listen to > the > > > sound of it on his web site it's georgeous)for not a lot more and for > > > something more modern Neil Brook makes a superbe instrument (again you > can > > > hear it on his web site). Compare these sounds with the noise on the > EMS > > > website for the one you have just received. There is a world of > difference. > > > > The EMS instrument is not historically accurate. Far from it. It is a > > > cheaply made symphonie sold at an inflated price. 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