Oh, just found the info on Valentin Clastrier's method It is written in French and it is accompanied by a DVD
It is named ** La vielle & l’univers de l’infinie roue-archet which translates roughly as "The Hurdy-Gurdy and the Universe of the Infinite Wheel-Bow". Ain't the French poetic or what? One of the places it seems to be available is AMTA in France and it costs 30 Euros. Here is the link http://www.amta.com.fr/fr/production/titre.asp?codetitre=484 Enjoy! Augusto Brazil On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Augusto de Ornellas Abreu < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Cecilia > > (for the US HG list (Alden's list), I am sending a copy to you of this > message, I know you would be interested) > > I don't have any information on Clastrier's method - I've seen it live when > I visited Germán Diaz's home in Santiago de Compostela. It looks quite > impressive. It shouldn't be that difficult to find more information on that > method. > > About the method written in Catalan, sorry, I got confused with the names. > It was not written by the great HGer Adria Grandia, but by the also great > HGer MARC EGEA. > > It can be purchased here - in the link below you will find all information > in English, with a detailed description of the 116-page method: > > > http://www.dinsic.com/en/publications/publications-subject-areas/music-schools-and-conservatories/elementary-level/iniciacio-a-la-viola-de-roda > > It is 20 Euros and is written in Catalan, a mixture of Spanish and French > for those who don't know it, it is not that difficult to follow if you know > a little of any of those two languages or both. it is full of pictures and > music scores, and a lot of discussion on coup de poignet. > > You can check a 17-page long PDF preview on the link below, that include > the index, the introduction, parts of two lessons, a VERY good bibliography > and discography and a music sheet or two. It is available in at least one of > the two links below > > > http://www.dinsic.com/en/content/download/21624/295049/file/Tripa-VioladeRodamostra.pdf > > http://www.ars-antiqva.com/contents/es/1010.080001%20Egea%20Zanfona%20maetodo.pdf > > I hope all will enjoy it! > > Augusto > Brazil > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Cecilia Patko <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Augusto, >> >> Thanks, Scott used to have links to these, from the links page, but they >> got lost when he was 'tidying up' the Forum. Can you post the links please? >> >> Cecilia >> >> --- In >> [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>, >> Augusto de Ornellas Abreu <augusto.ornel...@...> wrote: >> > >> > Have you people had the chance to see other methods, like the ones by >> > >> > - Valentin Clastrier (in french) >> > - Adria Grandia (in catalan) >> > >> > have you? >> > >> > I have heard great things about them... >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Colin <c...@...> wrote: >> > >> > > Yes, as guessed, the "reading" was, indeed from the Doreen Muskett - >> > > Hurdy Gurdy Method available here: >> > > >> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hurdy-gurdy-Method-Doreen-Muskett/dp/0946993076 >> > > BUT I would order it direct from Michael himself (see his post below). >> > > I also highly recommend the CD that goes with it (nice to actually >> HEAR how >> > > things should sound) that's not available via Amazon as far as I know. >> > > It's easy to forget that newcomers to the list may not realise just >> how >> > > important this book is - especially so for those who don't have a HG >> player >> > > near to them and some may not even know it's there. >> > > Ok, here's the plug (and I do mean it) >> > > It's worth every penny! Buy one right away if you haven't already :-) >> > > Sorry, I am always a little reticent about naming names but, of >> course, >> > > that shouldn't have stopped me in this case. >> > > My apologies Michael. >> > > >> > > Colin Hill >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > *From:* Michael Muskett <mich...@...> >> > > *To:* >> > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >> > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 11:29 AM >> > > *Subject:* [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Hello an introduction >> > > >> > > Colin, >> > > Your coy remark that you had done 'a little reading' caught my eye and >> I >> > > wondered why you did not give the attribution, which would surely be >> of help >> > > to Hannah as my book has been to so many others. >> > > We are all in the business of developing our instrument and there is >> no >> > > room here for partisanship. >> > > I long ago had the intention of making a CD similar to Neal's creation >> but >> > > lacked the opportunity, but I welcome his achievement for I think the >> > > combination of book and CD will be of great help to anyone studying >> the >> > > hurdy-gurdy. >> > > Incidentally, many people order Methods through shops, but not only >> will >> > > they get quicker service ordering direct from me but I should also >> gain a >> > > little more remuneration for my work. >> > > Michael >> > > >> > > --- In >> > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >> <HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk>, >> > > "Colin" <c.hl@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > As a still relative newbie to all this and therefore remembering my >> first >> > > play, there is one thing that needs asking. >> > > > Are you turning the wheel fast enough? >> > > > I know it sounds daft but, with a new instrument (particularly if >> you've >> > > never played one before), one can be over gentle and turn the wheel >> too >> > > slowly. >> > > > >> > > > The bad noise actually makes you wary of doing anything else in case >> the >> > > entire thing blows up! >> > > > I remember my first play on mine (cats trapped under the door) >> although >> > > the drones were sounding fine and it took a little reading up to know >> that I >> > > was hardly turning the wheel at all. I was turning about once every 6 >> -10 >> > > seconds. >> > > > That was around 6 - 10 times slower than I should have been. >> > > > A little more courage and the sound suddenly started. >> > > > I'm sure it's not this but it's just something I found with my HG >> when I >> > > first played it (never even seen one before I got it, let alone played >> one). >> > > > At least it's easy to test before getting the scraper out :) >> > > > Colin Hill >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > From: roddy.mckenzie >> > > > To: >> > > > [email protected]<HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >> <HurdyGurdyForum%40yahoogroups.co.uk> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:51 PM >> > > > Subject: [HurdyGurdyForum] Re: Hello an introduction >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hello Hannah >> > > > It may be me that posted some of the scathing remarks.Sorry I really >> > > don't know how to be gentle about this but I just got one and got it >> very >> > > cheaply too. I think it was an unwanted item possibly a return as it >> came >> > > from a shipping company. Still in its packing crate although they said >> it >> > > was second hand.I am glad it was so cheap because compared to my >> others it >> > > really is of poor quality. >> > > > I am sorry to be so brutal about this. Seriously I would return it >> to >> > > them if you did not try it out before hand.You could get one of Helmut >> > > Gotschy's beautiful historically accurate instruments (just listen to >> the >> > > sound of it on his web site it's georgeous)for not a lot more and for >> > > something more modern Neil Brook makes a superbe instrument (again you >> can >> > > hear it on his web site). Compare these sounds with the noise on the >> EMS >> > > website for the one you have just received. There is a world of >> difference. >> > > > The EMS instrument is not historically accurate. Far from it. It is >> a >> > > cheaply made symphonie sold at an inflated price. 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