Ciao Chiara! That instrument is indeed from the Piemonte region of Italy. As I understand things though, it's really an Alpine type, since identical instruments were found in Austrian Tyrol and other areas on the Austrian side of the border. It appears that it was transported by migrant workers to Hungary in the early 1800s, certainly by the 1840s, and was established in two areas, the Hungarian Lowlands and Csepel Island, to the south of Budapest. The Csepel tradition died out completely with no sound recordings by about 1910. The Lowlands one survived (albeit in a very tenuous state) until the revival picked up in the 1960s and 70s. As far as I know, this type of instrument had died out completely in Austria and Italy, probably by the late 1800s. (Simon Wascher may know more about the instrument in Austria, so if I'm wrong, I'd very much appreciate his clarification.)
Hope that helps. -Arle On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Chiara Negro wrote: > Hello Arle and Ernic, > > Very interesting! I'm an hurdy gurdy player from Piedmont ( Italy ). > If I understand correctly this instrument is from my country? > I'm very intrigued to know that! > I see the photo, it seems very beautiful > Ciao da Chiara > > > 2010/1/21 Ernic Kamerich <[email protected]> > Hello Arie, > > I will send the email adress of Mrs. Beatrix Darmstaedter to your private > email address. > And I must apologise for sending her name incorrect in my previous mail. > > Yes, the typical Hungarian buzzing system was the reason why I photographed > this detail and I wondered if it was Hungarian influence, but from your > previous mail I understand that the infuence has been into the other > direction. So you have answered my question when I saw it. > > With kind regards > > Ernic > > > 2010/1/21 Arle <[email protected]> > Thank you Ernic. That is exactly the instrument I was looking for. > I'll use both and give you credit for them. This is a big help, and > your views are actually quite useful to me, since they show the > buzzing bridge system (missing the control wedge), and many of the > details that match Hungarian instruments exactly. > > I was last at the Kunsthistorisches Museum in 1997, and I don't recall > seeing the instrument then, so I must have missed it or it was not on > display then. If I can find Ms Dams' email address, I will see if they > have any photographs of the whole instrument that they could provide. > > Best, > > Arle > > On Jan 21, 6:15 am, Ernic Kamerich <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Arie, > > > > Interesting project! > > I have uploaded two photographs as p1030279.jpg and p1030280.jpg to the site > > of the googlegroup; I think this is the instrument you ask about > > Sorry, I have not a photograph of the whole instrument, but I could imagine > > that these two pictures of details might serve you if you accept that the > > quality is not as perfect as can be. > > I have taken these pictures myself and I don't claim copyright. > > > > I have tried to change the names of these jpg-files on the site, but I did > > not found how to do it by now. > > > > I wonder if the museum would not grant you the right of using their > > photograph for a scientific publication. When I was there, I met Miss > > Beatrix Darms, conservator of the museum, and she was very kind and > > helpfull. > > > > With kind regards > > > > Ernic > > > > 2010/1/21 Arle Lommel <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > [Please disregard my last message: I hit send too soon and it went out > > > with > > > some errors. This version fixes them.] > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > I'm wondering if any of you happen to have any photos of the Piemontese > > > hurdy-gurdy in the the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna? I need an image > > > of it for my dissertation on Hungarian instruments (it is virtually > > > identical to nineteenth-century Hungarian instruments and shows the > > > origins > > > in southern Austria/northern Italy). I have one image, taken from a > > > postcard, that shows it, but the photo is copyright to the Museum and I > > > need > > > an image I can use (with credit, of course) in my dissertation without > > > copyright concerns. > > > > > If any of you have a picture of this instrument (or a similar south > > > Austrian/northern Italian instrument) that I could use, please let me > > > know. > > > > > Best, > > > > > Arle > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "hurdygurdy" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > [email protected]<hurdygurdy%2bunsubscr...@googlegrou > > > ps.com> > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > > > > > The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at > > >http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. 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