Hi Mitch - hmm, now I'm confused. However, I reckon I've got it sussed. The 2/4 bourrée on Petite Suite Bourbonnaise was written by Maxou, but the words (which I've got if you want them ) were adapted from a counting rhyme . And apparently this was from a certain Mme Renée Aurembeau in a publication "Il était une fois le Bourbonnais" published by Laffitte 1983. So, the two Reine d'Angleterre tunes are different - one trad and the other Maxou's. Now, are the words to the two tunes the same? I'll do some more digging around.
Oh dear, I think I've got too much time on my hands when I ought to be in the workshop........................ Cheers Mike www.hurdygurdy.biz On Dec 13, 3:11 am, [email protected] wrote: > Thank you Maxou and Mike for jumping in. The tune we play here in > California as "La Reine de l'Angleterre" is, sure enough, a piece of vocal > music. > Here is the link to the sheet music (I don't have a recording): > _www.avocetmusic.com/clips/reine d'angleterre001.jpg_ > (http://www.avocetmusic.com/clips/reined'angleterre001.jpg) . I can't quite > read the French (not that my > translation skills are that great anyway) but it looks like it's from > Napoleanic times, and not complimentary about Her Majesty... > > In any case, the melody we play is a different one than the tune in the > first half of the tune set on Vielleux du Bourbonnais. (_http://www.avo > cetmusic.com/clips/09%20Air%20Norvegien%20-%20La%20Reine%20D%27Angleterre.mp3_ > (http://www.avocetmusic.com/clips/09%20Air%20Norvegien%20-%20La%20Rein... > terre.mp3) ) So I'm still a bit confused. Which tune did you compose, > Maxou -- the one I have in the sheet music, or the one on Vielleux du > Bourbonnais? And which one is the traditional song collected by Marguerite > Gauthier-Villars? > > Thanks! > > Mitch Gordon > Guerneville, California, US > > In a message dated 12/12/2010 8:02:41 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > It seems Maxou has beaten me to it! > > The tunes are definitely the wrong way round. La Reine d'Angleterre is > > a trad Bourbonnais song and was collected by Marguerite Gauthier- > > Villars and published in a book Petit Chansonnier Bourbonnais around > > the late 20's early 30's. > > Cheers > > Mike > [email protected] writes: > > Hi ! > Some mistakes around there : > 1°) I wrote a bourree named "La Reine de l'Angleterre", on "Petite suite > Bourbonnaise" tape, later after the first "Vielleux du Bourbonnais". > 2°) "La Reine de l'angleterre" is a traditionnal song played as the first > melody. It's in F mode, with a sharp fourth. > 3°) the second melody is a norvegian one, taught to Bernard BLANC by Alan > KLOATR, a flute/pipe player from Brittany. They didn't know the correct > title of this melody. > > Here it is. > Keep on turning > Maxou > > J.F. "Maxou" HEINTZEN > le bourg > 03360 Valigny > 04.70.66.60.01 / 06.87.43.63.65 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > To: [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 12:56 AM > Subject: Re: [HG-new] Re: mystery scottish on Vielleux du Bourbonnais > > La Reine de L'Angleterre is the name of a march composed by Maxou > Heintzen. I'm assuming that name on the Vielleux album cover was a mistake. > Possibly Frederic and the Blancs planned on using La Reine in that set and > changed > their minds, but it didn't get corrected on the album artwork. Anyway > that's my guess. I was hoping someone on our listserve knows the scottish > from > another context besides the Vielleux album and can give the name. If not, I > suppose I could always email Frederic Paris or Bernard Blanc. > > Mitch Gordon > > [email protected] writes: > > Seems to me the title of a tune is merely a device to identify that > tune. There may well be other tunes of the same name but as this > scottish has been known by that name for decades, I'm not sure it's > accurate to state that " it definitely isn't ". > > On Dec 10, 5:40 pm, Ulrich Joosten <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mitch, to which of the two ³Vielleux² CDs do you refer? What¹s the title > of > > the album?I could check the cover if I can find some information. > > > Best, > > Uli > > > Am 10.12.10 18:30 schrieb "[email protected]" unter <[email protected]>: > > > > Can someone give me the correct name of the second tune on this sound > clip? On > > > the Vielleux du Bourbonnais recording it is identified as La Reine > > > d'Angleterre, which it definitely isn't. 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