On 21 Oct 2013, at 08:24, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics > > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? [1 Update] > Otley Fest [3 Updates] > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? [1 Update] > Introduction [1 Update] > Lyn Elder [1 Update] > Indiana Hurdy Gurdy Workshop coming up on Oct 3-6 [1 Update] > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > andycarter <[email protected]> Oct 21 08:05AM +0100 > > Hi Gary > Look up a guy called Peter Strang. I attended his work shop last year at the > Lissberg (Frankfurt) bash. > He designed his own gurdy to get the most out of it to play klezmer music and > did a fantastic performance of just that in the evening! > > Cheers > Andy Just see what wonders enthusiasm can bring about! MM > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > -------- Original message -------- > From: g_plazyk <[email protected]> > Date: 21/10/2013 00:06 (GMT+00:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HG-new] Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > > I've been listening to a recording of Jewish klezmer music ( Klezsqueeze! the > Sy Kushner Jewish Music Ensemble - > http://www.amazon.com/Klezsqueeze-Kushner-Jewish-Music-Ensemble/dp/B001NGYGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381930777&sr=8-2&keywords=klezsqueeze > ) and thought it would sound really great on hurdy gurdy. Is anybody here > familiar with recordings or video links to klezmer music played on hurdy > gurdy? > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "hurdygurdy" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > > The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. To reduce spam, posts from new > subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hurdygurdy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Otley Fest > Michael Muskett <[email protected]> Oct 20 05:41PM +0100 > It seems I was a bit hasty to get cross. It turns out that the email address > is incomplete so no messages were delivered .The phone was not answered and > would not take a message. So I have written a LETTER!] `but it's too late > now, so I shall just continue to explore the repertoire. I already have a > date for Paris. So sorry, chaps, but please try to be more efficient. > To all hurdy-gurdy players in the United Kingdom; > After an enforced absence of many years I was determined, despite locomotion > difficulties (I can no longer drive) to go to the Otley Gathering this year > otleygurdygathering.wordpress.com). I wished to demonstrate to the Folk up > North the results of my research into the fabulous repertoire of French 18th > century vielle music before offering it to London and Paris. * > > I have emailed the person called snozz ([email protected]) without response and > I wonder if he has become suddenly demised. But hearing no news of such an > unfortunate event I conclude that he is either prejudiced or incompetent. Or > perhaps just impolite. Such an attitude does not serve your community well. > > So I send my hurdy-gurdy friends and acquaintances my best wishes and much > pleasure in making music and hope you will forgive me my continually enforced > absence. > > P.S. As has been requested we are planning to print a 4th edition of our > Method, which has proved so useful to players around the world. This will > contain the new appendix, ‘Before you Begin’ and the supplement on the > coup-de poignet. Other entries may be considered. MM > > cwhill <[email protected]> Oct 20 05:51PM +0100 > > Snozz's email is [email protected] - at least that's the email for his > posts on the Hurdy Gurdy Forum. Maybe there's a problem with the other > email address. Thanks. It seems that the organiser is of the fair sex this > year. > > Colin Hill > > > > On 20/10/2013 17:41, Michael Muskett wrote: > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6266 - Release Date: 10/20/13 > > Laurie Freeman <[email protected]> Oct 20 07:05PM -0400 > > Great to hear you will be reprinting the method. I am new to the instrument > and am interested in purchasing a copy. Let me know when it is available > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > g_plazyk <[email protected]> Oct 16 06:55AM -0700 > > I've been listening to a recording of Jewish klezmer music ( Klezsqueeze! > the Sy Kushner Jewish Music Ensemble - http://www.amazon.com/ > Klezsqueeze-Kushner-Jewish-Music-Ensemble/dp/B001NGYGLY/ > ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381930777&sr=8-2&keywords=klezsqueeze ) and thought > it would sound really great on hurdy gurdy. Is anybody here familiar with > recordings or video links to klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > > Introduction > John Page <[email protected]> Oct 10 08:22PM -0700 > > Hello-- my name is John-- I'm just starting out with the Hurdy. (I've got > a Leverett Moncur model- D-G tuning.) I've prowled through some of the > previous discussions and have seen videos some of you have posted to you > tube-- it's a honor to join such a group. I thought I'd introduce myself. > > To start with-- although I'm a huge music buff, I only know enough theory > to be dangerous. I've been playing the hammered dulcimer for 27 years- I'm > not what you'd call a folkie- my tastes run from classical (and "modern" > classical), jazz (particularly Miles and Coltrane), blues, jam-rock, and > Hindustan (Northern Indian) classical. I got into the latter since the > most amazing hammered Dulcimer play is an Indian virtuoso named Shivkumar > Sharma. I'm self taught-- I steal from a lot of places, but never get > anything completely right, but I love to improvise. Based a lot on the > indian infuence, I do a lot of rhythmic drones with my right hand, and > lead over scales with my left. As much as I love the instrument, you > can't really wail with it. The sound is always pretty, and you can do great > counterpoint, but you can't really approximate a human voice. Also, the > strings, even for a chromatic dulicmer, are arranged strangely. (Easy to > play scales, but accidentals are hard to reach.) I've found myself playing > the same patterns and locked into scales dominated by the circle of 5ths, > and avoiding melodies with a lot of accidentals. Between trying Indian and > classical, I pushed hard to get beyond the alternating hands, and play with > two voices, using a heavy padded right hammer so that the bass doesn't > drown out the melody. If anyone is curious, I have a couple examples - the > first is a somewhat folk based improvisation, the second is an > Indian-based Improvisation that I added some samples and loops to. There > are rough edges in both-- I try to keep a live feel, and i don't want to > drain the life out of a track. Or maybe I'm just lazy. Who knows. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_SDBvXYOA8 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6ylZvEAsg (Video may be a bit dark here-- > mental illness and electroshock) > > > I was golng to upgrade my trusty D-500 dulcimer to get a linear chromatic > dulcimer that would give me the notes I couldn't reach, but, during a > medieval binge, I came across Eduardo Paniagua's album that featured the > Hurdy and I was hooked. The sound completely blew me away-- I love drones > to start with, and there is something about the squeal in the melody notes > that fascinated me no end. So, when my bonus came from work, I had to try > a Hurdy instead of upgrading my dulcimer. > > I'm still finding my way around, working with my cotton technique, my tone > in the upper register, etc. My fingers still hit the wrong notes a lot. I > figure playing is the only way to work that out. PRACTICE SLOWLY (half speed > or less and repeat many times.` Then leave it for a few days before coming > back to it. The brain works wonders when not thinking! MM) > > I find myself wanting to set the tangents to just intonation, so I can > get cleaner overtones. The math behind it is fascinating. I've also been > fascinated by some of the sound artifacts that the instrument can create. > > The biggest thrill I'm getting, believe it or not, is when I try Indian > material. The drone, of course, is classically Indian. (They use a buzzing > drone called teh Tambura that sounds a bit like the Dog on teh Hurdy- I > have one and play it as well. Other times they will use a small organ or > harmonium to play a sustained "chord" -- like a Gurdy). The best way to > describe the structure and effect with getting too technical is what one > person said to me when I was improvising an Indiiad Raga (scale) on the > hammered dulcimer. When I finished, he came up to me and said "You know, > when you started playing, it was like the most boring thing I ever heard, > like you were tuning your instrument. But after a while, the music got > inside of me, and the next thing I knew, I was hanging on every note." > That's sort of how it works-- you start with a slow, free meter exploration > of the scale (called the Alap) which slowly builds in tension. Then after > a while, you kick up a 7, 8, 12, 10 or sixteen beat rhythm and play > variations on the scale. It gets hypnotic, and every time you work your > way back to the tonic, there is a great sense of release. On a good > session, you lose track of time (but hopefully not the beat. ) > > One of the most enjoyable scales I've played with so far (in D-G tuning) is > a D "Major" where you flatten the third note. (using F instead of F > Sharp).[Any major scale with a flat (minor) third makes makes a minor scale. > There are two versions, harmonic and melodic. `there is no need to bother > with mathematical theory unless you are so inclined. `That is the way the > ancient Greeks studied music. MM] scale with a flat third (minor third) It > makes the familiar Major scale much more dark, and when you > descend the scale and end up on the open-D drone, it's wonderful.[a flat > sixth in a minor scale is the most heartrending and is used frequently in > baroque music MM] Another > favorite Indian scale for me is the major scale when you flatten the 2nd > and 6th notes. It is a very exotic scale. My favorite on teh Dulcimer is > the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th notes on a Phrygian scale-- called > Raga Malkuans, but I haven't tried that on the Hurdy yet. I need to > improve my dog technique so I can capture the rhythms better, but I've had > a blast with what I've tried so far -- this is such a natural fit for the > Hurdy. -- and if you just want to wail-- there's a lot of room for that. > (Yes, there must be a bit of frustrated electric guitarist in my psyche as > well. ) > > Anyway, I wanted to introduce myself, and share some things I've been > playing with . I hope to try blues, jazz, and most anything that the sound > of the hurdy leads me to. I also love to hear anything others are trying. > There is so much unexplored territory out there. > > > John Page > > Lyn Elder > Leonard Williams <[email protected]> Oct 20 04:06PM -0400 > > By chance I received via a lute related list with a link to a video about > Lyn Elder (then of the West Coast, now of Vermont), who builds early > instruments. The hurdy gurdy pictured is an early style, and a near twin > to my own, which was built from plans purchased from Lyn. Not a lot of > bells and whistles. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfw3N_tEMSI > > Regards, > Leonard Williams > > Indiana Hurdy Gurdy Workshop coming up on Oct 3-6 > cwhill <[email protected]> Oct 20 12:37PM +0100 > > Nice. That tune brings a lot of painful memories back to me - that > stretch of the fingers in the second part made my left hand ache for days :) > May I suggest that you do not stretch so much as you may damage your hand. > I had the same difficulty with an 8ve recently and by taking it in easy > stages I could manage in 2 or 3 days.MM
> Colin Hill > > On 20/10/2013 01:50, Rob wrote: > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6266 - Release Date: 10/20/13 > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "hurdygurdy" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > > The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. To reduce spam, posts from new > subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hurdygurdy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hurdygurdy" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. To reduce spam, posts from new subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hurdygurdy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
