A D Major scale with a flat third is called d minor. Also every major scale has a relative minor pitched a minor third below. The Dorian mode is very common in English folk music and is very expressive in slower tunes. See page 82 0f the Hurdy-gurdy Method and various web sites. This basic knowledge comes under the heading of music theory which is only codified standard practice. No need to be afraid of it and reading music won't harm you either. Minor scales are associated with sorrow but fast ones are vigorous and exciting. On 21 Oct 2013, at 08:24, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics > > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? [1 Update] > Otley Fest [3 Updates] > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? [1 Update] > Introduction [1 Update] > Lyn Elder [1 Update] > Indiana Hurdy Gurdy Workshop coming up on Oct 3-6 [1 Update] > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > andycarter <[email protected]> Oct 21 08:05AM +0100 > > Hi Gary > Look up a guy called Peter Strang. I attended his work shop last year at the > Lissberg (Frankfurt) bash. > He designed his own gurdy to get the most out of it to play klezmer music and > did a fantastic performance of just that in the evening! > > Cheers > Andy > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > -------- Original message -------- > From: g_plazyk <[email protected]> > Date: 21/10/2013 00:06 (GMT+00:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: [HG-new] Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > > I've been listening to a recording of Jewish klezmer music ( Klezsqueeze! the > Sy Kushner Jewish Music Ensemble - > http://www.amazon.com/Klezsqueeze-Kushner-Jewish-Music-Ensemble/dp/B001NGYGLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381930777&sr=8-2&keywords=klezsqueeze > ) and thought it would sound really great on hurdy gurdy. Is anybody here > familiar with recordings or video links to klezmer music played on hurdy > gurdy? > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "hurdygurdy" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > > The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. To reduce spam, posts from new > subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hurdygurdy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Otley Fest > Michael Muskett <[email protected]> Oct 20 05:41PM +0100 > > To all hurdy-gurdy players in the United Kingdom > > After an enforced absence of many years I was determined, despite locomotion > difficulties (I can no longer drive) to go to the Otley Gathering this year > (otleygurdygathering.wordpress.com). I wished to demonstrate to the Folk up > North the results of my research into the fabulous repertoire of French 18th > century vielle music before offering it to London and Paris. I also wished to > renew my friendships and meet newcomers whom I have met online. > > I have emailed the person called snozz ([email protected]) without response and > I wonder if he has become suddenly demised. But hearing no news of such an > unfortunate event I conclude that he is either prejudiced or incompetent. Or > perhaps just impolite. Such an attitude does not serve your community well. > > So I send my hurdy-gurdy friends and acquaintances my best wishes and much > pleasure in making music and hope you will forgive me my continually enforced > absence. > > P.S. As has been requested we are planning to print a 4th edition of our > Method, which has proved so useful to players around the world. This will > contain the new appendix, ‘Before you Begin’ and the supplement on the > coup-de poignet. Other entries may be considered. MM > > cwhill <[email protected]> Oct 20 05:51PM +0100 > > Snozz's email is [email protected] - at least that's the email for his > posts on the Hurdy Gurdy Forum. Maybe there's a problem with the other > email address. > > Colin Hill > > > > On 20/10/2013 17:41, Michael Muskett wrote: > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6266 - Release Date: 10/20/13 > > Laurie Freeman <[email protected]> Oct 20 07:05PM -0400 > > Great to hear you will be reprinting the method. I am new to the instrument > and am interested in purchasing a copy. Let me know when it is available > > Sent from my iPhone > > > Klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > g_plazyk <[email protected]> Oct 16 06:55AM -0700 > > I've been listening to a recording of Jewish klezmer music ( Klezsqueeze! > the Sy Kushner Jewish Music Ensemble - http://www.amazon.com/ > Klezsqueeze-Kushner-Jewish-Music-Ensemble/dp/B001NGYGLY/ > ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1381930777&sr=8-2&keywords=klezsqueeze ) and thought > it would sound really great on hurdy gurdy. Is anybody here familiar with > recordings or video links to klezmer music played on hurdy gurdy? > > Introduction > John Page <[email protected]> Oct 10 08:22PM -0700 > > Hello-- my name is John-- I'm just starting out with the Hurdy. (I've got > a Leverett Moncur model- D-G tuning.) I've prowled through some of the > previous discussions and have seen videos some of you have posted to you > tube-- it's a honor to join such a group. I thought I'd introduce myself. > > To start with-- although I'm a huge music buff, I only know enough theory > to be dangerous. I've been playing the hammered dulcimer for 27 years- I'm > not what you'd call a folkie- my tastes run from classical (and "modern" > classical), jazz (particularly Miles and Coltrane), blues, jam-rock, and > Hindustan (Northern Indian) classical. I got into the latter since the > most amazing hammered Dulcimer play is an Indian virtuoso named Shivkumar > Sharma. I'm self taught-- I steal from a lot of places, but never get > anything completely right, but I love to improvise. Based a lot on the > indian infuence, I do a lot of rhythmic drones with my right hand, and > lead over scales with my left. As much as I love the instrument, you > can't really wail with it. The sound is always pretty, and you can do great > counterpoint, but you can't really approximate a human voice. Also, the > strings, even for a chromatic dulicmer, are arranged strangely. (Easy to > play scales, but accidentals are hard to reach.) I've found myself playing > the same patterns and locked into scales dominated by the circle of 5ths, > and avoiding melodies with a lot of accidentals. Between trying Indian and > classical, I pushed hard to get beyond the alternating hands, and play with > two voices, using a heavy padded right hammer so that the bass doesn't > drown out the melody. If anyone is curious, I have a couple examples - the > first is a somewhat folk based improvisation, the second is an > Indian-based Improvisation that I added some samples and loops to. There > are rough edges in both-- I try to keep a live feel, and i don't want to > drain the life out of a track. Or maybe I'm just lazy. Who knows. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_SDBvXYOA8 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ6ylZvEAsg (Video may be a bit dark here-- > mental illness and electroshock) > > > I was golng to upgrade my trusty D-500 dulcimer to get a linear chromatic > dulcimer that would give me the notes I couldn't reach, but, during a > medieval binge, I came across Eduardo Paniagua's album that featured the > Hurdy and I was hooked. The sound completely blew me away-- I love drones > to start with, and there is something about the squeal in the melody notes > that fascinated me no end. So, when my bonus came from work, I had to try > a Hurdy instead of upgrading my dulcimer. > > I'm still finding my way around, working with my cotton technique, my tone > in the upper register, etc. My fingers still hit the wrong notes a lot. I > figure playing is the only way to work that out. > > I find myself wanting to set the tangents to just intonation, so I can > get cleaner overtones. The math behind it is fascinating. I've also been > fascinated by some of the sound artifacts that the instrument can create. > > The biggest thrill I'm getting, believe it or not, is when I try Indian > material. The drone, of course, is classically Indian. (They use a buzzing > drone called teh Tambura that sounds a bit like the Dog on teh Hurdy- I > have one and play it as well. Other times they will use a small organ or > harmonium to play a sustained "chord" -- like a Gurdy). The best way to > describe the structure and effect with getting too technical is what one > person said to me when I was improvising an Indiiad Raga (scale) on the > hammered dulcimer. When I finished, he came up to me and said "You know, > when you started playing, it was like the most boring thing I ever heard, > like you were tuning your instrument. But after a while, the music got > inside of me, and the next thing I knew, I was hanging on every note." > That's sort of how it works-- you start with a slow, free meter exploration > of the scale (called the Alap) which slowly builds in tension. Then after > a while, you kick up a 7, 8, 12, 10 or sixteen beat rhythm and play > variations on the scale. It gets hypnotic, and every time you work your > way back to the tonic, there is a great sense of release. On a good > session, you lose track of time (but hopefully not the beat. ) > > One of the most enjoyable scales I've played with so far (in D-G tuning) is > a D "Major" where you flatten the third note. (using F instead of F > Sharp). It makes the familiar Major scale much more dark, and when you > descend the scale and end up on the open-D drone, it's wonderful. Another > favorite Indian scale for me is the major scale when you flatten the 2nd > and 6th notes. It is a very exotic scale. My favorite on teh Dulcimer is > the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 7th, and 8th notes on a Phrygian scale-- called > Raga Malkuans, but I haven't tried that on the Hurdy yet. I need to > improve my dog technique so I can capture the rhythms better, but I've had > a blast with what I've tried so far -- this is such a natural fit for the > Hurdy. -- and if you just want to wail-- there's a lot of room for that. > (Yes, there must be a bit of frustrated electric guitarist in my psyche as > well. ) > > Anyway, I wanted to introduce myself, and share some things I've been > playing with . I hope to try blues, jazz, and most anything that the sound > of the hurdy leads me to. I also love to hear anything others are trying. > There is so much unexplored territory out there. > > > John Page > > Lyn Elder > Leonard Williams <[email protected]> Oct 20 04:06PM -0400 > > By chance I received via a lute related list with a link to a video about > Lyn Elder (then of the West Coast, now of Vermont), who builds early > instruments. The hurdy gurdy pictured is an early style, and a near twin > to my own, which was built from plans purchased from Lyn. Not a lot of > bells and whistles. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfw3N_tEMSI > > Regards, > Leonard Williams > > Indiana Hurdy Gurdy Workshop coming up on Oct 3-6 > cwhill <[email protected]> Oct 20 12:37PM +0100 > > Nice. That tune brings a lot of painful memories back to me - that > stretch of the fingers in the second part made my left hand ache for days :) > > Colin Hill > > On 20/10/2013 01:50, Rob wrote: > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3222/6266 - Release Date: 10/20/13 > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "hurdygurdy" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > > The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at > http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. 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