Hi Ulrich, I apologize for taking a few days to respond. We just moved (within Berlin) and I've had a lot of work to do.
This is a valuable resource, especially as many musicians have no formal training in these aspects of music theory and I think it can really help expand their horizons. There have been times I would have used something like this when I'm trying to remember what a particular mode is. One of my first thoughts is that this would make an ideal online (HTML) resource, since that solves the clickable problems. A lot of the complex things I mention below could be easily addressed in a single web page using JQuery + Javascript to allow tunings and modes to be changed while staying in one page. While I couldn't do it in the next month, I'd actually be interested in programming an online single-page version of what you've done that would calculate and show different modes for any tuning people choose. We should talk in mid-September or so when some of my pressing projects will be over. But for now, I've looked though the latest version and have a few minor comments. To emphasize the connection between the parts, you might consider adding "(Aeolian)" after "major" and "(Aeolian)" after "minor" in the slides that you start with. Slide 5: typo, says "C major" instead of "C minor" Slide 14: typo, "Inonian" instead of "Ionian" Slide 18: still in German After 19: Would you add Locrian as well? It's not commonly used, but for completeness it would make sense to include it. Similarly, if you ever want to get more ambitious, there are a lot of other modes that could be of interest. The obvious ones to add would be the melodic minors (although the fact that they are actually a pair of matched modes for ascending and descending passages would complicate describing them). Going a bit further afield, scales such as the Double harmonic scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_harmonic_scale), which is one I use a lot in my playing, might be interesting. Slide 20: this one I find interesting because the numbering is the reverse of piano practice. Given the centrality of piano fingering for many musicians, I think it might make sense to reverse the numbers, i.e, 1 = index, 2 = middle, 3 = ring. (And I'd note that this is French/older U.S. style for piano; for full correspondence with current U.S. and German numbering, I think 1 would equal the thumb. but I think this doesn't make sense for your purposes). More generally, the Weichselbaumer instrument you have has an unusual tuning. If you move this to a web resource, you could have an option to show it with the Weichselbaumer (open F), C/G (open G), and G/D (open D) tunings for the various scales. Then people could adapt it to their instruments. Of course this adds some complexity to what you are doing, but in the web interface I'm thinking of it would be really simple... I'll try to look at it a little more in coming days and get back to you with anything else, but I hope the above helps. Best, Arle > On 2014 Jul 27, at 18:50 , Ulrich Joosten <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear all, > > finde enclosed a new version of the Power Point presentation Hurdy-gurdy > scales. > > I translated the notation to the English system (and hope I made no > mistakes). U fortunately the Libre Office program is totally crap - I was not > able to give names to the slides and I could not enter hyperlinks. I treid > several times and it drove me mad because after > saving and re-opening the file all hyperlinks were gone. If somebody is able > to help out - any hint is very welcome. > > Please, if somebody wants to proofread: this would be very good. > > Oh, yes, I deleted all the redundand information of the first version (that > means: not used notes were grayed in the first version, now I totally removed > them, so one can concentrate just on the relevant notes). > > Your thoughts are very welcome. > > And: I enclose a pdf verison. > > Have fun, > cheers, > Ulrich > > > Am 26.07.2014 um 02:10 schrieb cwhill <[email protected]>: > >> Unfortunately I can open and view but can't interact with it as I don't have >> the software. My powerpoint program is something included with another >> program and trying to get presentation mode asks me to buy Office so can't >> really pass comment and my German is limited to passing school exams some >> years ago.. >> >> Colin Hill >> >> >> >> On 25/07/2014 14:49, Ulrich Joosten wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> sorry, it wasn't intended to confuse somebody. I made a mistake. Initially >>> I wanted to send the scales just to Arle asking for his opinion. Of course, >>> for an international "release" the H should be replaced by B and the B by >>> Bb. And yes, in Germany it still is common to use H. >>> Also for international use I would have translated the rest of the German >>> stuff. >>> >>> Interesting: quite some reactions regarding the German B-H-Bflat etc >>> confusion, but no opinion if somebody thinks my chart may be of any use >>> anyway... ;-) >>> >>> Hope you enjoy it. >>> >>> Best, >>> Ulrich >>> >>> >>> Am 25.07.2014 um 13:53 schrieb Christa Muths <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> No, that's correct Dave. >>>> -:))) >>>> >>>> Christa >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 25 Jul 2014, at 13:39, Dave Holland <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I believe that German-speakers (used to) write the note B-flat as B, >>>>> and the note B-natural as H. >>>>> >>>>> Bach wrote a piece based on the note name sequence B-A-C-H (i.e. >>>>> B-flat-A-C-B-natural) >>>>> >>>>> A German will now correct me. :) >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:54:52AM +0100, cwhill wrote: >>>>>> I'm not that musically literate but is there a particular reason why >>>>>> the note b is shown as h? >>>>>> >>>>>> Colin Hill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25/07/2014 08:07, Ulrich Joosten wrote: >>>>>>> Arle, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought you might be interested in a power point presentation I did >>>>>>> some time ago. I would need somebody to check if this is all correct >>>>>>> musically. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I's based on a Weichselbaumer Viola scale, that means it has two >>>>>>> semitones below the regular G string scale. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you look at the presentation in presentation mode you can use the >>>>>>> hyperlinks to navigate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me know if you find any mistakes and if this thing is of use for >>>>>>> you. One remark: I made this one with Microsoft PP which I do not use >>>>>>> any longer. In Libre Office it seems that the program does not follow >>>>>>> the hyperlinks correctly. It is intended that a click on the small >>>>>>> circle of fiths icon in the lower left corner brings you to this slide, >>>>>>> a click un the HG icon in the lower right sie should bring you to the >>>>>>> overview and on the circle of fiths slide a click on a scale name >>>>>>> should bring you to the linked scale. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm curious about your opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Ulrich >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3955/7410 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 07/24/14 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3955/7410 - Release Date: 07/24/14 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "hurdygurdy" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy >>>>>> >>>>>> The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found >>>>>> at http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. 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