mandag den 14. Juli 2008 23:29:42 skrev Jason Schaefer: > Im not sure what we are gaining by having marked patterns + the > selected pattern mode. I probably have not thought this through enough > but it seems better if simply.. 1 mode to mark (middle click) and the > other just plays your currently selected pattern. Perhaps the button > should go next to the pattern mode switch. Its a little confusing > where it is now. > > On this note.. I had an idea about the playback of these patterns in > pattern mode. A while ago I mentioned the playback did not stop right > away after de-selecting a pattern. It was noted that this was normal > since it was in the middle of playing. I have found that, if I am > going to play with hydrogen live there are many times when I would > want to play the beginning, end or middle of a pattern and switch it > on/off before its played through. But its would obviously be difficult > if this was our only option. So what about a quantizing mode as well? > In quantizing mode it would act like it does now, in free-form mode > you could switch patterns on/off at your whim.
This is really a good point. I would like that too. Perhaps using SHIFT + middle click for the 'instant' toggle... How to go about the feature freeze? My feeling is that we're not really finished figuring out how we want the pattern mode to work. I guess we oughtta let it sit for now, and then adjust (perhaps with some more user feedback if we get that) the behaviuor for the next release (be it 0.9.5 or similar) > > On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Scott Bahling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If there is a button nearby to switch modes easily, then I think a > > single pattern mode (only selected mode) is fine. If one wants to play > > back stacked patterns, they can easily switch modes to do so. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Scott > > > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 21:36 +0200, Sebastian Moors wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> i did some work on this last friday.. All features from Jakob's patch > >> are now integrated + a new gui element which indicates the status of the > >> pattern mode (of course you can change the mode by clicking). I've > >> introduced a new description: "single pattern mode / stacked pattern > >> mode". There are some minor annoyances ( wrong highlighting of the > >> button for example), but i suppose it works for a "preview". > >> > >> It would be nice to know if people would prefer playing *only* the > >> selected pattern if single pattern mode is enabled (this is what i > >> expected from jakobs patch before i looked closer). At the moment it > >> plays all "marked" pattern + the selected pattern. Otherwise "single > >> pattern mode" would be misleading and a preference-option should make > >> more sense then a gui-button (because it will be used less frequently). > >> > >> - Sebastian > >> > >> Jakob Lund wrote: > >> > onsdag den 9. Juli 2008 21:20:47 skrev Sebastian Moors: > >> >> Hi Jakob, > >> >> > >> >> thanks for your great contributions! > >> >> > >> >> I've applied your second patch, but i have to say i that i want to > >> >> delay your first patch. > >> >> > >> >> In my opinion a third mode, "live mode" (accessible through the key > >> >> "L", is not the optimal solution. It is not very userfriendly to use > >> >> more shortcuts for such an important function. > >> >> > >> >> At the moment i think that playing the selected pattern should be the > >> >> default, because this is what new users expect when they use hydrogen > >> >> the first time. The big question is: How to change this behaviour ? > >> >> > >> >> 1. keyboard shortcut ( your patch ) > >> >> 2. new button ( maybe above the patternlist? ) > >> >> 3. new mode-button (additional to pattern/song-mode) > >> >> 4. preferences-option (too unintuitive) > >> > > >> > Actually what I have done is a combination of 1. and 4. I agree that > >> > the option should be on by default. I guess adding a button to > >> > complement the shortcut (i.e. do the same thing, mut easier > >> > discoverable) might be worth it. The nice thing about the keyboar > >> > shortcut is that it can be used while the loop is playing (i.e. it > >> > doesn't stop transport, like bringing up the preferences window does.) > >> > > >> > Button or not, it would be nice to have visual indication of the > >> > change in behaviour. One way would be to change the colour of the > >> > Pattern Mode 'led' from blue to green. Another way, to change the > >> > color of the pattern name highlight (that is now light gray). > >> > > >> > Personally I'm in favor of the way the patch works now, plus the > >> > addition of one of the two visual indicators. > >> > > >> > In the 'old' pattern mode, you would hear ONLY the selected pattern. > >> > Presently the "playing patterns" list is inherited from the song mode > >> > (if you switch modes in the middle of a song). We could have an option > >> > (on by default) to clear the "playing patterns" list upon switch to > >> > pattern mode, and the "always play selected pattern" option, also on > >> > by default. Then the default behaviour would resemble that of the > >> > previous version, and someone who opens the preferences window could > >> > easily discover and enable the new 'live' mode. > >> > > >> > Most importantly, I strongly suggest applying the patch as it is now, > >> > because it fixes some tricky issues I found with timing, JACK > >> > synchronization and pattern mode. (And it works well.) > >> > > >> >> The button above the pattern-list (where the other pattern options > >> >> are) is my favourite solution at the moment, may i can make a mockup > >> >> the next days to present it here.. This won't introduce a full new > >> >> mode ( i think it is too much overhead to create a new mode for just > >> >> one feature) but introduce a new option to the pattern mode. It > >> >> would be nice to hear what people think about that.. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> Sebastian > >> >> > >> >> Jakob Lund wrote: > >> >>> Hello > >> >>> > >> >>> These patches introduce some new features in time for the freeze (I > >> >>> hope.) > >> >>> > >> >>> The most important is a fix-up of the pattern mode: Fixed some > >> >>> timing problems with jack, and added a "live editing mode", which > >> >>> makes the selected pattern always play in pattern mode, similar to > >> >>> what Scott proposed. The feature can be turned off / on during > >> >>> playback by pressing "L". It's quite neat I think :^) > >> >>> > >> >>> The other patch is a minor convenience: To rename a pattern, > >> >>> double-clicking its name in the song editor, a line-edit will appear > >> >>> _inside the pattern list_, instead of in a small dialog window. The > >> >>> dialog is still accessible from the right-click menu, should it be > >> >>> necessary to add some other property (than the name) to it later on. > >> >>> > >> >>> Sebastian, I don't know if you've tried to merged the patch I sent > >> >>> in earlier; in any case I think there are some lines in the old > >> >>> patch (perhaps changes in jack_output.cpp and hydrogen.cpp), that > >> >>> are also in the new one. I'm not very big on svn and merging stuff, > >> >>> but I hope you can make it without too much hassle... > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers > >> >>> > >> >>> Jakob Lund. > >> >>> > >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >>>---- > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >--- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! > >> > Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, > >> > along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness > >> > and boredom. 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