Hi Jean: Please show a simple example of the input and output of one link or one table from your Emacs-based Hyperscope system so we can inderstand what you mean.
Other than a lack of unique ID generation and a table-based view, I cannot understand what you are saying Hyperbole does not include. Examples should clear it up. Thanks. -- Bob > On Aug 26, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote: > > * Robert Weiner <rsw...@gmail.com> [2019-08-26 14:23]: >> Sure. I am pretty familiar with Doug’s work and happy to add more >> NLS/Augment features as needed. > > Yesterday I was researching the tabulated-list-mode and it was fairly > rapid to develop the fundament of some kind of HyperScope[1] for > Emacs[2]. > > I am basing that on the SQL database. As otherwise I would end up in a > mess of text files or data pieces. > > It has features from the mother of all demos[3], it is like a > menu-tree hypertext system that can link to anything. > > Hyperbole has Emacs Lisp functions, so I can now include link from > Hyperbole to HyperScope like (hyperscope-action ID) where ID is node > ID. It can link to multiple Org files, and Org files can link back to > HyperScope. > > And that is why I asked about moving the .hypb file, as that means I > could for example enter text from within a database, but text which is > not on file system, and if such text has the corresponding argument to > be the contents of the .hypb file, I could enter the world of > hyperlinking through Hyperbole. > > Greedy linking and quick browsing is very important. My needs lay in > making straightline teaching for clients and straightline teaching for > staff members. > > The experience have shown me that if people do not have the order in > front of them, they will learn slow. If there is order of subjects to > learn, they will learn faster, the relation between pieces of > information is important. If I would just give them books they would > never finish when lacking the understanding of relations between > pieces of knowledge. > > My workflow before was that I had to explain so many links, videos, > things, personally, some videos are long, but shall only show certain > period of the video, that is what I call greedy hyperlinking, maybe I > am wrong with my English. It is also envisioned by Engelbart[4] to > allow such hyperlinking, it is certainly useful. > > Then it is easier to teach person to show the exact period from 2:30 > minutes and seconds to 20:50 minutes and seconds of the video, than > opening a video, and browsing or explaining to person how to browse to > certain section, and on distance it becomes vague, so it can be person > is watching something else than I meant that person should be > watching. > > Reading specific paragraphs of specific page in a PDF is hardly > supported by majority of PDF readers, I wish it could be, but I > > In fact every piece of information that can be reviewed by computer > shall offer the option to kill[5] the greedy link for the AUGMENT > Journal[6] so that such link can be used from any other system, such > as Hyperbole. I wonder if Emacs Doc View offers such facility. > > As for Hyperbole, it lacks the actual link name, not only link. As > links only appear often ugly, especially if there are long path names, > the meaning of the link is not always for the user, it is there for > the action of the user, not for his observation, not necessarily. > > Just as links in Org mode, so Hyperbole shall have links with their > names shown, not the links itself. > > Jean > > > Footnotes: > [1] https://open.tube/videos/watch/086dbf07-a49f-42f6-b3f9-39997de66014 > > [2] http://hyperscope.org/ > > [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJDv-zdhzMY > > [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart > > [5] https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Killing.html > > [6] http://dougengelbart.org/content/view/137/000/ >
