Hi Cena, Thanks for trying out the koutliner and provide feedback.
> Cena Mayo writes: > I've recently been playing around with Koutliner and got stuck on a seemingly > minor issue. > > Koutliner opens a new file (both .kotl and .org) with the cursor (and first > cell) butting right up at the top left of the frame/window/buffer boundary. > > Not sure if images can be embedded here so here's a link to screenshot to > illustrate: https://ibb.co/jPSG5mMg > > I don't like this; it 'feels' claustrophobic to me. Usually I can hit return > a few times to get a top margin I like, but I can't seem to do that here; the > `1.` > stays firmly in place. > > So, because I'm a newbie at Emacs/Hyperbole, these small things become deep > rabbit holes. Is this a Hyperbole issue? The manual doesn't seem to > mention it. Is it Emacs? How come Org/scratch/fundamental/text/etc. don't > impose this immovable top margin thing on me? etc. The koutliner is as you mention a cell based format. It means you can not add lines above the first cell. Only another cell can be added before the first cell and that will then in its turn be the first cell, so will not solve your problem. > An aside: > > Deleting (variously: C-x C-k; Kout menu 'Edit->Kill-Tree') the starting > '1.'/first cell results in: > [...] Thanks for the report. I will look into this. > Ways I attempted to modify the top margin that don't work (in addition to the > above): > [...] The problem is a visual issue with having a margin before the first line in a buffer. Not sure how and even if that is possible to solve generally. Ideally you would want that to work in all types of frames and only for koutliner buffers. Thanks for sharing your attempts and findings resulting in using frame parameters for this. %% Mats