Hi Tom,

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:12 AM, t.petch <[email protected]> wrote:

> Architecture
>
> After reading this, I struggle to see the point of I2RS:-(  As was said
> two months ago,
> "And the basic premise of I2RS is that there are requirements for the
> work that were not addressed properly by the existing configuration
> protocols. "
> but reading Architecture, the examples I see are ones that seem to fall
> within the remit of NETCONF (being config) as and when a suitable data
> model has been defined (e.g. for OSPF or BGP).  Initially I had thought
> of several things that I2RS might do but these have been ruled out,
> either on the  list or in this I-D, so I am left wondering what it is
> that I2RS will do that NETCONF potentially cannot.
>

[Alia] Partly, it is a different system model - where the agent can preempt
a written
operation or refuse a request - whether there is the idea and support for
multi-headed
control.   I do think that there will be a lot of similarities with what
RESTCONF can
support - but also that there are gaps.


> I do find the I-D quite hard to follow as the terminology seems
> inconsistent - the word 'state' is much used but it is unclear to me if
> the term can be given a single definition in this context; and even if
> it can, the word seems an unfortunate choice since the IETF Ops Area has
> given it a precise definition which is at odds with its use here.
>

[Alia]  As I understand it, state is the operational state in the router -
and that is
what is being discussed in general in this document.  A while ago, I did go
over the
different terminology with Ron Bonica and Dean - when I realized that my
perspective
of "configuration state" was from inside a protocol implementation and so
what was
considered "operational state" different from the "configuration
data-stores".   In this case,
I think that the document can be understood without a precise definition of
state - or having
it match that in the Ops Area and differ from that commonly used in Routing.

[Alia] I do appreciate your review and different perspective.  Thanks for
taking the time and interest!

Alia


> Tom Petch
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Haas" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:29 PM
>
> > Working Group,
> >
> > The original deadline for comments on WGLC for the problem statement
> and
> > architecture drafts of May 30 has passed with no comment whatsoever.
> >
> > While we all realize that there's a bit of exhaustion going on with
> regard
> > to these drafts, they are a bit of process we simply must get done in
> order
> > to fully move forward with our agenda of putting together data models.
> >
> > We are *NOT* going to hold that work up further - it is clear that
> there is
> > consenus to start making that progress.
> >
> > To assist us with putting this work behind us, please respond to the
> > following questions:
> >
> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-problem-statement/
> > Have you read the problem statement draft?
> > Do you think it is ready to be published as a RFC?
> > (If no, please respond to the list with issues.)
> >
> > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture/
> > Have you read the architecture draft?
> > Do you think it is ready to be published as a RFC?
> > (Ditto.)
> >
> > -- Jeff
> >
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