I understood the proposed text as 'be able to determine whether the
protocol implementation supports the mechanisms required by I2RS',
which is different from 'needing a reliable communication channel'.

/js

On Wed, Jun 01, 2016 at 11:48:33PM +0000, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> Joel,
> 
> Does it hurt if this requirement is removed from the document? 
> 
> To me, it is more to say needing a reliable communication channel between 
> I2RS client and agent (which should be assumed with NETCONF protocol). 
> Therefore, I don't think we need to have it in the I2RS Ephemeral requirement.
> 
> Linda  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel M. Halpern [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 6:13 PM
> To: Linda Dunbar; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [i2rs] ephemeral requirements - REQ 08 bullet 1
> 
> Linda, the problem is that there is no such thing as an I2RS protocol, much 
> less version 1 of such a protocol.  If I2RS is using NetConf, the protocol is 
> NetConf.  If it is using RestConf, then that is the protocol.
> 
> Further, the exact mechanism to express what the agent can do over these 
> protocols is defined by those mechanisms.
> 
> I can't argue with your observation that there is not much to the requirement 
> as reworded.  I consider that it is not vacuous because it confirms that we 
> need the relevant capability information.  I recognize that the NetConf and 
> NetMod working groups have been very good about doing that.
> 
> My primary point, as I have said several times on the list, and saqid on the 
> webex, is that the requirement as written was not a description of what we 
> requried, but of a possible (and in my personal view incorrect) way of 
> meeting the requirement.
> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 6/1/16 6:48 PM, Linda Dunbar wrote:
> > Joel,
> >
> > The existing text and the proposed test mean different things to me. The 
> > existing text is to say support I2RS Version 1, whereas the proposed text 
> > states a very obvious statement.
> >
> > If I2RS client didn't have the needed "communication mechanisms" to I2RS 
> > agent or can't decide if the communications mechanisms needed is supported, 
> > how can I2RS client even start to send commands to I2RS agent?
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: i2rs [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel M. Halpern
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 9:48 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [i2rs] ephemeral requirements - REQ 08 bullet 1
> >
> > Existing Text:
> > 1.  protocol version support for I2RS modifications - (e.g.  I2RS
> >         version 1)
> >
> > Proposed Text:
> > 1. Support for communication mechanisms to enable an I2RS client to 
> > determine that an I2RS agent supports the mechanisms needed for I2RS 
> > operation.
> >
> >
> > This probably is already met by existing NetConf mechanisms.  I think it is 
> > useful to state anyway, so that solution development will verify that it is 
> > met.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Joel
> >
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