On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 04:45:56 +0200 lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Mateusz Poszwa <[email protected]> writes: > > > On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 01:08:03 +0200 > > lee <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My understanding was that you need to use the actual key symbol (as used > >> in xmodmap) that is being produced. For example, when you have > >> > >> bindsym $mod+Shift+J move left > >> > >> a capital 'J' is being produced. When you have the some binding without > >> Shift, like > >> > >> bindsym $mod+j move left > >> > >> it's a small 'j' because Shift isn't pressed. > > > > „ > > bindsym $mod+Shift+j move left > > ” > > would work too. Maybe the names are case insensitive? > > Maybe they are, though the documentation indicates that you need to use > the key symbols that are being produced.
It does not state if the keys should be produced with or without modifiers. I agree this may need clarification. > >> This shows throughout the default configuration file. The documentation > >> says: > >> > >> > >> ,---- [ http://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#keybindings] > >> | > >> | A keysym (key symbol) is a description for a specific symbol, like "a" > >> | or "b", but also more strange ones like "underscore" instead of > >> | "_". These are the ones you use in Xmodmap to remap your keys. To get > >> | the current mapping of your keys, use xmodmap -pke. To interactively > >> | enter a key and see what keysym it is configured to, use xev. > >> | > >> `---- > >> > >> > >> I have been using xev to verify that pressing 'AltGr+<Minus Key>' and > >> 'AltGr+Shift+<Minus Key>' do yield 'periodcentered' and 'abovedot', > >> respectively. (Those are now intercepted by i3.) > > > > I don't think so, but I may be wrong. > > Those symbols aren't typed anymore when I press the keys, so yes, > really, i3 must be intercepting them. Sounds like a bug to me… > > If it was as you say, you could write > > „ > > bindsym abovedot workspace prev > > ” > > instead of > > „ > > bindsym $mod+Shift+minus workspace prev > > ” > > To be honest, I haven't checked if the former works. > > You can do it as an exercise and let me know if you succeed. ;-) > > I'd be surprised, but I don't say it's impossible. > > That's an interesting idea indeed :) I tried it and it doesn't work. Thanks for checking. ;-) > >> Actually, 'Shift+<Minus Key>' produces an underscore. How come that > >> 'AltGr+Shift+minus' even works? Shouldn't that rather be > >> 'AltGr+Shift+underscore'?[1] > > > > I think i3 maps keysyms („plain” keysyms — without modifiers) > > to keycodes and applies modifiers itself. > > Going by the documentation, the key codes seem to be irrelevant unless > you use 'bindcode' instead of 'bindsym'. I guess if I changed my > xmodmap so that '-' (minus) is on the key that's labeled 'J', I'd have > to press AltGr+j instead of AltGr+<minus>. > > This is pretty confusing ... You are right. I checked that a moment ago. > >> > As a side note, I don't think using AltGr as a modifier is a good idea… > >> > >> How come you think so? It works great and allows for some easy > >> one-handed i3-operations. Since I have modified my xmodmap so that I > >> can type braces and brackets without pressing AltGr, there are only four > >> keys that come to mind for which I need AltGr: '@', '|', 'ß' and '\'. > >> That leaves me pretty much all of the other 98 keys to bind i3 stuff to > >> :) Do you know of any application which would be aware that there's such > >> a thing as an AltGr key? > > > > How about 'ö'? ;-P > > What about it? Ah, nothing. I thought one needs AltGr for it. I stand corrected. :-) > > You are right. It seems good in you case. I use the Colemak keyboard > > layout, which uses AltGr heavily for diacritics input, and there's > > quite many of them in Polish. > > Ah I only write English and German, so I'm not missing any letters with > the keyboard as is. The only thing is that there are some like '/', '~' > and brackets that are at very inconvenient locations with a default > German layout, so I changed that. > > > As for AltGr-aware applications, probably some old games may use that > > key. > > Hm, none that does comes to mind ... Tomb Raider maybe? Never mind. It's a very, very rare case. > >> (I'm using a Model M keyboard that doesn't have the obsolete keys newer > >> ones have, so there aren't any keys around Space, Alt, AltGr and Ctrl > >> that would get persistently in the way.) > > > > I have plenty of „obsolete” keys on my TypeMatrix 2020, > > such as Super (captioned „Start”), which I use for i3's bindings, > > or Caps Lock, which I have bound a minus to. ;-) > > That looks like an interesting keyboard :) I wish I could have one with > 122 keys, but it seems that there are hardware issues preventing that. So many keys… It makes me recall this one: http://mykeyboard.co.uk/microswitch/ -- Mateusz Poszwa
