On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > On this: > > Perhaps you would be interested in http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6950. I > > > think all these things would go together nicely. > > "Changed 2 months ago by gregorio > milestone deleted Milestone Never Assigned deleted " > > When I started at OLPC one of the first things I did was clean up the > roadmap in Trac. There were a handful of vague "may want to do it in the > future" milestones. I deleted a few of those before I realized that it > would also remove them from the bug IDs. That's why you see these messages. > > We do need to figure out where to put it on the roadmap and I'm not > opposed to this idea. > > On the subject of gathering input from users its been a recurring theme > of the lists and I have commented on it several times. Its an important > problem which we must grapple with. Initially I thought "we need more > input and information". Then in December I started to realize how much > input is already available. I collected some of them on my talk page at: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User_talk:Gregorio > > There are wikis, forums, moodles and other sites already full of > suggestions and comments about the product. Aside from the ones on my > talk page I can mention > - Moodle out of Peru: http://www.innovavirtual.org/moodleperu/ > - Forum in Uruguay http://www.mediagala.com/rap/foro/ > - Our OLPC forum http://en.forum.laptop.org/ > and of course the olpc-sur list.
This is fantastic; was I among few who didn't know of their existence? I might be, but we could probably do a better job exposing this kind of information. > Also I understand that kids in Uruguay and elsewhere have been > downloading this activity: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XoIRC and it has a > default channel which has been very active. There is also a spanish IRC > channel which has seen a lot of use. > > Even the question of which is the right tool to gather more suggestions > is something we should ask people to suggest! If you want people to give > input, its better to ask them what works best for them than to decide > that yourself. I have been mulling over the best communication channels > with Pablo out of Uruguay for 9 moths and we still don't have a > definitive answer. > > For me, the question is not so much how do we gather more input as how > do we respond to the input already expressed. I think this misses a very crucial element, which is locating/aggregating the data. If there's no channel through which the data can be collected, searched, or organized, we have little hope of responding to it. The main reason I think that something in the realm of a "Suggestion Box" activity is needed is not *only* so that kids and teachers have a place to express their thoughts, but just as much so that their efforts can be collected and reviewed by all who are interested, in a common place. (Which, in turn, should ensure that their thoughts are more likely to effect change.) > The requests do not generally come in like: I want a button on the > right. The people using the XO are teaching or learning so the request > is usually more like: its too slow make it faster or I need better tools > to teach geometry. See the Sur list for some comments like that. This is true, of course. It could lead to a lot of feedback, much of it not succinct or strictly targeted, but at least we'd have it in a place where all can find it. If our biggest problem is sifting through *too much* feedback, then we're in good shape. Let's find a way to put it all to good use! - Eben > After an intial suggestions, you need a further discussion befoe it gets > to exactly what code needs to be written. In terms of how we engage that > dialog, I wrote a brief explanation of how I think it should work at: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Gregorio > > We're now engaged in the practice of it and we need that piece along > with the theory to get it right. > > In terms of building in a "please fix it" button, I'm in favor of that. > I think it should be an activity not a piece of the OS until we can > prove the concept and show that we can collect good feedback, generate a > meanigful dialog and most importantly respond in a constructive way to > the requests. > > Lastly, if a user has asked for something which is documented and well > defined and we think it should be built then go ahead and put it on the > 9.1 page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0 I just ask that you sign it or > put it on the talk page. > > To Christoph's original point. They already asked, now we need to > deliver on that. How about starting with this one: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0#Touchpad > or this one: > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/9.1.0#Longer_Battery_Life > > :-) > > I hope that's constructive. I want to see more feedback and more > responsiveness to requests. My main point is that the ball is in our > court. Once we find people to engage with the only way to get there is > with a rich dialog where we learn about the users and they learn about > building software. > > Thanks, > > Greg S > > > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
