On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meeks<[email protected]> wrote: > Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and > show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps > seeing it for himself will > help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education.
I don't know who wrote it, but there is a large FSF community in Boston, so let's try to arrange it. -walter > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<[email protected]> wrote: >> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender >> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> === Sugar Digest === >> >>> >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in >> >>> >> education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity >> >>> >> with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any >> >>> >> constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to >> >>> >> Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on >> >>> >> every machine distributed by OLPC. >> >>> > >> >>> > http://windows7sins.org/#1 >> >>> > When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as >> >>> > a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid >> >>> > interpretation) >> >>> > >> >>> > When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise >> >>> > that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well >> >>> > >> >>> > On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there >> >>> >> >>> You need to click the "Learn more" link next to the XO picture. >> >>> >> >>> Citing from that concoction: >> >>> >> >>> "As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project >> >>> -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into >> >>> Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where >> >>> the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed. >> >>> The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft >> >>> exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom." >> >>> >> >>> It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind >> >>> zealousness. >> >> >> >> I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I >> >> agree >> >> with Luke too. >> >> ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload >> >> the >> >> same page) >> >> I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and >> >> complain. I >> >> thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than >> >> the >> >> leadership but perhaps I was wrong. >> > >> > What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC >> > project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a >> > great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish >> > or have said in the past. >> > >> > From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that >> > Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their >> > principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people >> > learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning >> > experience with free software. >> > >> > So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to >> > publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission. >> >> That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF >> does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to >> promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring >> Sugar. >> >> -walter >> >> > Regards, >> > >> > Tomeu >> > >> > -- >> > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. >> > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David >> > Farning >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sugar-devel mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > [email protected] > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
