On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 15:35, Walter Bender<[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Caroline Meeks<[email protected]> > wrote: >> Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and >> show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software. Perhaps >> seeing it for himself will >> help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for their education. > > I don't know who wrote it, but there is a large FSF community in > Boston, so let's try to arrange it.
Maybe our friendly FSF sysadmins would know? Regards, Tomeu > -walter > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizoso<[email protected]> wrote: >>> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerr<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg >>> >> <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> > n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender >>> >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >> === Sugar Digest === >>> >>> >> 4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in >>> >>> >> education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity >>> >>> >> with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any >>> >>> >> constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to >>> >>> >> Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on >>> >>> >> every machine distributed by OLPC. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > http://windows7sins.org/#1 >>> >>> > When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as >>> >>> > a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid >>> >>> > interpretation) >>> >>> > >>> >>> > When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise >>> >>> > that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there >>> >>> >>> >>> You need to click the "Learn more" link next to the XO picture. >>> >>> >>> >>> Citing from that concoction: >>> >>> >>> >>> "As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project >>> >>> -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into >>> >>> Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where >>> >>> the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed. >>> >>> The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft >>> >>> exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom." >>> >>> >>> >>> It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind >>> >>> zealousness. >>> >> >>> >> I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I >>> >> agree >>> >> with Luke too. >>> >> ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload >>> >> the >>> >> same page) >>> >> I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and >>> >> complain. I >>> >> thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than >>> >> the >>> >> leadership but perhaps I was wrong. >>> > >>> > What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC >>> > project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a >>> > great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish >>> > or have said in the past. >>> > >>> > From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that >>> > Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their >>> > principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people >>> > learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning >>> > experience with free software. >>> > >>> > So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to >>> > publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission. >>> >>> That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF >>> does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to >>> promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring >>> Sugar. >>> >>> -walter >>> >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > Tomeu >>> > >>> > -- >>> > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. >>> > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David >>> > Farning >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sugar-devel mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> >> >> -- >> Caroline Meeks >> Solution Grove >> [email protected] >> >> 617-500-3488 - Office >> 505-213-3268 - Fax >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
