David - what I meant was, no strategic partnership between the distros. Ubuntu wouldn't pose so many difficulties if M. Shuttleworth/Canonical got behind Sugar for example.
Sean On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Farning <dfarn...@activitycentral.com > wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm sorry Sebastian, yes I should have been more clear about which > Sebastian > > :-) > > > > At the time, Sugar was perceived as being only available on OLPC XOs, so > our > > effort was designed to show that it was available for other platforms. > > Indeed, our claim has always been that it was hardware-agnostic (on Mac > > using virtualization), cf. our press releases (sl.o/press). And, SoaS as > a > > marketing concept was meant to be distro-agnostic too (SuSE...), a > position > > fought tooth and nail by the Fedorans by the way. > > > > Pre-tablets, when small netbooks sales were exploding, Windows was > dominant > > on PCs but ran poorly or not at all on netbooks and moreover there was an > > installation barrier for Windows on GNU/Linux netbooks. We were > interested > > in reaching the 92% or so of teachers using Windows and widening Sugar > > availability on machines with pre-installed GNU/Linux (all 2% or so of > > them). Microsoft and Intel worked quickly to block GNU/Linux netbooks by > > pressuring OEMs to build faster machines, then tablets arrived and killed > > off netbooks. > > > > It's unfortunate that Sugar was not fully embraced by the GNU/Linux > distros > > who missed a great opportunity in the education market where Microsoft > had > > and has weaknesses, but that has been a symptom of free software projects > > struggling with strategic initiatives while concentrating on technical > > aspects. > > How does Sugar on Ubuntu (DXU) and Sugar on Tablets (DX experimental) > affect this equation for Sugar Labs? > > > Dismal marketing has contributed to dismal desktop market share > > (Microsoft's well-documented maneuvers played a role too of course). > > > > Installation: As Peter has mentioned, SoaS can be used for installation > on a > > target PC, this is documented in the wiki. > > > > Concerning translations, language selection was available in at least > > several versions of SoaS, I remember switching French and US locale and > > keyboard demoing SoaS at an Educatec-Educatice convention in Paris. I > have > > no doubt that solutions are possible, but do remember that Peter has been > > continuing SoaS work singlehandedly for some time now. > > > > Looking forward, I see a dual challenge for Sugar Labs: supporting the XO > > installed base (including hopefully keeping XO-4 availability alive), and > > transitioning to the wild new world of handheld devices. > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Sebastian Silva < > sebast...@fuentelibre.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> El 06/11/13 17:35, Sean DALY escribió: > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobin...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> But you have for a long time refused to actually even market SoaS! > >> > >> > >> That's right, at the time SoaS became an official Fedora spin, Mel and > >> Sebastian decided to take over marketing, which included coming up with > >> unmarketable names, linking with Fedora announcements, and opening a > Fedora > >> hosted minisite (the "home" of SoaS), none of which was done with any > >> consultation of the SL marketing team. > >> > >> Please try to include last names, you mean Sebastian Dzallas, original > >> developer of "Sugar On A Stick". > >> > >> Now that we're on the topic... the concept "Sugar On A Stick" has > several > >> problems. > >> > >> 1.- It suggests it's the only possible Sugar OS on a USB. > >> 2.- It suggests it's not a serious OS to be installed on a computer. > >> 3.- It's impossible to translate. > >> 4.- It suggests it's not regular GNU/Linux, with availability of the > >> Myriad other GNU/Linux educational tools. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Sebastian Silva > >> R+D SomosAzúcar > >> Sugar Labs Perú > >> @icarito > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > > -- > David Farning > Activity Central: http://www.activitycentral.com >
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