On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> FWIW, while I agree that retroactively approving of funds is not ideal,
> this particular case is a matter of formal approval of what was already
> approved. SLOB gave me authority to make these sorts of decisions for the
> Trip Advisor grant several times now and I believe it is within Chris's
> discretion as well. Nonetheless, for some reason or other, the SFC seems to
> think that every outlay requires explicit approval from the entire board.
> Further, it is not like this was an attempt to blind-side or circumvent the
> board. I brought this up several months ago, but we have not managed to
> vote on it.
>
> Finally, I find the "wait-until-the-last-moment-to-object" style of
> discourse to be highly unprofessional. I reiterate, this has been on the
> table for months as has been the opportunity for feedback and discussion.
>

My own hope is that Sugar Labs seek a new tone of governance, putting aside
baseless ad hominem attacks against on its own board members and
hard-working sponsoring organization (SFConservancy.org), who happen to
prefer more transparent and understandable financials.

My hope is that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard's monthly blog
(and similar) will be just the beginning to show us all this upfront,
honorable, inclusive-of-all-kinds-of-people (even accountants, if we are to
grow this movement) approach is in fact possible beginning in 2016.

-walter
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1 for the remark of Adam.
>> +1 for the motion due to the relative small amount of money engaged.
>>
>>        Lionel.
>>
>> 2016-05-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> I find the practice of retroactively voting for funds to be highly
>>> unprofessional, in all instances.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless I am hereby voting in favor in this 1 instance, on the hope
>>> that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard will begin improving the
>>> situation with a public blog going forward -- so everyone knows what's
>>> happening and why.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Chris Leonard <
>>> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would note that, as requested, Edgar provided a brief write-up of
>>>> the event afterwards (in Spanish), which I have
>>>> Google-assisted-translated and will be posting (in both Spanish and
>>>> English) on the blog that I'm setting up for reporting on Translation
>>>> Community Manager activities.
>>>>
>>>> Asking funded travelers for a post-travel write-up is a practice that
>>>> I think Sugar Labs SLOB should consider in all travel-funding
>>>> requests.  It is a very common practice in science-related businesses,
>>>> when someone is sent to a conference on company time.  This practice
>>>> provides a further return on investment.  Not only are your ideas
>>>> shared with the audience at the destination by the traveler, but the
>>>> conference's ideas are reported back to the community providing the
>>>> funding.
>>>>
>>>> cjl
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I realize that we never actually had a formal motion for this as we
>>>> got
>>>> > side-tracked by the i18n manager discussion (See [1]).
>>>> >
>>>> > Background: Edgar Quispe had requested funds to attend the Traducción
>>>> e
>>>> > interpretación en las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima.
>>>> The
>>>> > total cost of the trip was expected to be ~$200. In fact it came to
>>>> $168.88.
>>>> > The purpose of the visit was for Edgar to share his experience with
>>>> Aymara
>>>> > i18n for Sugar Labs with speakers of other indigenous languages in the
>>>> > region. Note that this was pre-approved by Chris Leonard and Walter
>>>> Bender
>>>> > as appropriate and relevant to our i18n efforts under the Trip
>>>> Advisor grant
>>>> > and brought up for discussion at the 1 April SLOB meeting. Edgar's
>>>> report is
>>>> > at [2].
>>>> >
>>>> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
>>>> Sugar
>>>> > Labs at the Traducción e interpretación en las lenguas originarias
>>>> del Perú
>>>> > meeting in Lima. The cost is $168.88.
>>>> >
>>>> > -walter
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-March/017787.html
>>>> > [2]
>>>> >
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz5r4d6qh-WsZmF1cWQxemdGN0FmMzJnRjBZNEhKaEZWd1pB/view?usp=sharing
>>>> >
>>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>> > <account...@sfconservancy.org>
>>>> > Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:08 PM
>>>> > Subject: approval details for Quispe-Chambi trip expenses? (was: Fwd:
>>>> > Solicitud de auspicio de pasajes)
>>>> > To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm submitting tonight to Conservancy internal approval process Edgar
>>>> > Quispe Chambi's reimbursement request of US$161.88.
>>>> >
>>>> > However, I am unable to find SLOBs approval, so the reimbursement may
>>>> be
>>>> > rejected because of this.  The information I have is:
>>>> >
>>>> > El mar. 18, 2016 5:52 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> > escribió:
>>>> >>> Chris and I approved the travel. We will get formal approval from
>>>> the
>>>> >>> SLOB but there is no time to wait. Please keep your receipts so that
>>>> >>> we can reimburse you. Sorry that there is no time to get you a
>>>> travel
>>>> >>> advance.
>>>> >
>>>> > I assume based on that statements and the one below that at sometime
>>>> > between March 18th and April 15th, there was a formal SLOBs approval.
>>>> > Can someone send that along, please?  A URL link to the SLOBs minutes
>>>> > where it was approved are fine.
>>>> >
>>>> > [snip]
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Bradley M. Kuhn
>>>> > President & Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>> >  |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper since we can't afford to hire
>>>> one.
>>>> > Pls donate so we can increase staff:
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Walter Bender
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