"EA MacNEIL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> ..
> 
> C'mon, mainframes ARE expensive, no doubt. Mainframe is more expensive 
> 
> than a PC, even with bubble jet printer, 19" LCD screen, double layer 
> 
> DVD-R and bunch of "Kill everyone" games.
> 
> Windows XP, even Professional is cheaper than z/OS.
> 
> ..
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe, but when I have to buy 11,500 PC's for staff how much does that add
up to? PLUS, the servers (& software & network & nauseum) to connect them
up?
> 
> TCO arguments are killing the Mainframe, almost as much as the fact that
we are no longer advertising the strengths (including IBM).
> 
> The best bet, when 8-year olds won't understand the TCO argument, is to
stay away from costs in the entire discussion!
> 
> 

TCO is not so difficult: tell them 1 mainframe can do the same work as
11,500 PC's on the desks of the staff. That will impress them and make them
understand that they cost more than a PC.

Also the size can clarify a lot: I was asked sometime ago by a total
illiterate on computers, what I did for a living and I said: I am a
programmer (let's start simple). 
The first question was: with computers you mean? Yes, you can also program
other things than computers.
Second question was: Mac or PC? I said: neither, I do the real large ones. 
Next question: Real large, you mean large in this way, and he spread his
arms.
I said: yes, 10 years ago they filled this entire room (an education
classroom), now the are as large as a couple of refrigerators. And we have
two of them to manage all the automation of our entire company.
He had no idea that this type of computers existed!

This pictures more the correct look at mainframes compared to PC's, a total
different magnitude of machines doing a different magnitude of work. A
little like the almighty computers of the SF stories of 25 years ago. A
machine to look up to!

Hope this helps,
Kees.


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