Thanks, Chris,

Not fear of the unknown, to my thinking.  More of a "what if" discussion
and following the logical chain of access and rights when people get a
fancy new tool to use, and how to get controls around it.

There were no controls like SMP/E jobs that only authorized users can
run.  The off handed way it was talked about, the ease of use, the slick
install and run, was a selling point 

They use FTP to a loadlib specified in the GUI.  Slip a CD in and fill
in a few blanks, click install, when done, click on the new icon on your
desktop, begin your work just as easy as installing a PC package.

Your mainframe now has new code on it in a library your DBA has access
to.

Your DBA has a new icon on their desktop, with access to any data on
your mainframe they would have access to.  More importantly, their
>>PC<< and all the processes running on it has access to that data.  Did
something more sinister get access, too?

Where in your change control procedures are there the checks and
balances to keep this from being an exposure?  With SMP/E jobs some
level of control is there, you get to track what goes in and where, and
your auditors are what passes for "happy" for them.  With this, the user
is happy as they get to bypass normal channels.

Maybe my paranoia is up, but when this topic was covered in a "Lunch and
Learn" as a selling point for this vendor's software, the other Nissan
employee in the room and I looked at each other and realized we had
exposures here.  

Others may not see it as an issue, but I'm putting together ideas on how
to control this sort of thing.

How many people get a CD, pop it in, do what it says, and don't even
think about the ramifications?  How much is the much ballyhooed
encryption going to help you if you now have this sort of thing going
in?

Maybe most of my data isn't as interesting as some other's might be.  I
thought I'd bring it up, see what you all thought, and see if anyone
else was mobilizing on controls, etc.  As I haven't seen things like
this before I thought I'd ask.

Thanks all for your input,
/ptd


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Craddock, Chris
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 6:19 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: GUI Install Procedure for ISV Mainframe Software

> The idea of programmers installing software via CD into product
> libraries they have access to scares the willies out of me.  It is one
> of two issues I have with this.

I can see some fear of the unknown, but I don't see any reason 
for panic. If your shop controls access to production libraries
then there's nothing a user can do from FTP that they can't do
from TSO/ISPF. There is no black magic behind the FTP curtain.

...snip...

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