Ron and Jenny Hawkins wrote:
Tom, et al,

I was just thinking... CICS aside, when a job ABENDS while updating a KSDS
file, what is the most common thing that happens to allow the job to be
rerun? Delete and restore the KSDS, right? So what good are the accumulated
statistics at this point - valid or invalid? Well there worth zilcho,
because they were just deleted. Gone forever.

The ABENDing job steps can also use VSAM datasets READ only, in which case the stats will be inaccurate but no restore is needed. Even in case of an updated file, it can depend on the application and nature of updates whether a restore is needed or not.

And the next day someone takes a LISTCAT of that file and makes some
decision based on those stats, assuming that it represents 24 hours of
activity, when it is really just the last 20 minutes of the batch run. Smart
move!

If those 20 minutes of stats show enough CI splits to justify a reorganize of the file, it doesn't matter that this only represents 20 minutes of activity. If the CI-split count is above your reorg threshold, it also doesn't matter if you lost 15 hours of CI-split counts because of a CICS crash, a reorg is still justified. You may be late with a decision to reorganize, but better late than never. With no stats at all, an automated process has no basis for choosing whether to reorganize or not, and arbitrarily choosing to reorganize could be a bad choice for a large, rarely-updated VSAM file - especially if doing an unnecessary reorganize delays the availability of a critical online application.

I would rather we just got rid of all the stats from LISTCAT. We don't have
a listdb2, listdl1, listfastpath or listqsam, so why the religious fervour
around LISTC stats?

Ron


LISTCAT stats have been around for at least several decades, maybe since the beginnings of OS/360. Automated maintenance procedures and heuristic guidelines have been developed based on LISTCAT statistics and we have become dependent on them, because you build tools based on what is available, even if not perfect. Without LISTCAT stats, we would have to expend resources to rethink and redesign a number of automated batch processes that have been working reasonable well up to now (z/OS 1.4).

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Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, AR        [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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