On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 03:21:03PM -0500, Ed Gould ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Darn. During the many years that one shop refused to install it, > > they called it Some Dumb System Function.
> Just curious were they being cheap or just bashing the product? Probably neither. They had a very good relationship with IBM but tended to not buy any IBM software (other than the OS when it became a chargeable product.) This was one of the few large shops that ran MVT without HASP. When they installed MVS they installed Wylbur because they didn't think that they could support the required workload under TSO with ISPF. TSO was available but discouraged, and I think that they didn't allow normal users access to ISPF for many years. (Of course you can support more users on Wylbur than on TSO ISPF -- it takes 5 times as long to get your work done using something as primitive as Wylbur, so the machine doesn't get loaded up with all those pesky jobs.) (Don't bother flaming me for this, I'm immune. Wylbur was a really advanced concept -- in 1965.) > I know a couple of places that I worked were extremely resistance to > certain IBM products (like TSO & ISPF) they were just *CHEAP*. Well, I'm referring to a shop which had less of an issue getting money to hire systems staff than for buying software. Systems programmers there really were *programmers*. The problem was that this shop invented the NIH mentality. :-) I.e., never buy what you can write, even if it takes you years. This shop took NIH to the extreme though: they wouldn't even do something unless *they* *thought* of it *first*. So I maintain that their objection to things like SDSF and ISPF was simply that the idea came from somewhere else. Although, what's amusing about all that is the huge similarities between a home-brew interactive system developed there in the 1960s and ISPF's look and feel and its use of a library of pre-made screens. BTW, this shop was one of very first on the Arpanet. /Leonard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
