On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:05:23 +0000, john gilmore <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>I should feel different about it if it were radically innovative; it is not.
>

"Radically innovative" is subjective.   How many CA products do you need
to install and maintain across how many sysplexes and LPARs? 

I do think it is innovative in some ways.  Regardless of one's opinion
of it being innovative or not, it works and makes my job and my 
coworkers' jobs easier and saves us time.


On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:20:16 -0700, Norman Hollander on DesertWiz
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If Receive/Apply/Accept is all that you needed, and you have no newbies in
>your shop,
>you may be right.  But if you or the newbie need to easily deploy and
>configure CA
>software, you'd want the tools to help you get it done quicker.  IMHO, of
>course.
>

Similar comment.   We have nothing but experienced sysprogs at the
shop I'm at.  (going by years alone, I am the 2nd most inexperienced). 
But we have a large amount of ISV products we support - especially CA,
and this saves us time.   Not everyone on the team is an "SME" for a CA
product, but all the ones that are and have used MSM love it (after some brief
training I provided).  My client is large and thus far, only the OS team (MVS
and Comm Server) is using it.  I plan on introducing the other teams to
it also soon (CICS,  Database, etc.).  I know there are some CA products
they maintain and there is no reason this shouldn't benefit everyone.

If you have a small environment and only a couple of CA products, then
of course it isn't worth installing and maintaining a somewhat complex 
piece of software just to maintain a couple of other pieces of software. 

Mark
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