On Apr 2, 2006, at 9:50 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

I was asked to find out whether there exist z/OS based products from IBM
or 3rd parties that provide similar content & functionality.
Yes, reasonable priced. Tell us what products do you want to replace.
BTW: From my experience it is often enough to find an alternative
product and tell about it to your current supplier. The prices can
shrink dramatically.

I respectfully disagree that telling a current supplier is often enough.
It might be on one occasion (might), but it's not a strategy likely to
work the next time around. And some suppliers are very good at making you think you've got a "dramatically" lower price -- because their original quoted price is dramatically ridiculous. Also, the terms and conditions, most particularly the price attached to growth, are critical. There's a growing trend -- just look at the airline industry -- to obfuscate price
through bewildering terms and conditions.

Receiving a fair price on any product requires a *credible* market
alternative in *your* particular situation. Things that bring credibility
to the discussion:

Timothy:

This was(is?) true of a current big name vendor .. at least a few time the company was offered a product at extremely bargain basement prices. Ahh.. where is the catch.. if you do any upgrades of Hardware you get socked MAJOR $$ (another nail in the coffin for MF's).

This has been discussed on here before about the bait and switch tactics of sales types.


- a project actually underway to switch from one vendor to another
- past, recent defection to another vendor
- respect for functional innovation (i.e. that you care about value, not
just price)
- knowledge about the product, the vendor's business, your business
requirements, etc.
- seriousness (e.g. a long term commitment, growth)
- timeliness

Timeliness means you should be having this discussion about 12 to 16
months before your contract renewal.

Here's where you can start within the halls of IBM:
http://www.ibm.com/software/solutions/softwaremigration/sps.html

But the above advice applies regardless of vendor.

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Timothy F. Sipples
Consulting Enterprise Software Architect, z9/zSeries
IBM Japan, Ltd.
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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