John, Since Johnny is something of a "newbie" it's important for him to know he is getting advice from someone who is not a current practitioner to whom the Binder is new territory that might as well be the Aegean peninsula. Thus, although, as Paul Gilmartin suggested, Johnny should really be using the Binder rather than the Linkage Editor, he should know why he wasn't getting that advice from me - because my "best efforts" couldn't possibly include any mention of the Binder.
Incidentally, "new" is relative. It's new as far as I'm concerned - and there was no suggestion from the last customer I worked with 2 1/2 years ago that the little VTAM program I tried to get working with them needed the Binder rather than the Linkage Editor - but maybe I didn't think to ask and just used IEWL ... Doesn't one of the utilities use the linkage editor, "under the covers", in order to copy load modules because it's just so good at it? Chris Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: "john gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 April, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Re: What's the linkage editor really wants? The notion that the Binder is a new, arcane and/or dubious piece of technology is a curious one. It can pretend to be the Linkage Editor, producing/outputting load modules; or, again, it can instead produce 'new fangled' program objects. Moreover, no effort to avoid putting load modules and/or program objects into either linkage-editor or binder inputs should ever be made. Both process their outputs as inputs much more efficiently than they process input object modules, either traditional or GOFF ones. (This is why traditional compiler libraries contained not object modules but NCAL load modules.) John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html

