I went to the Milwaukee Area Technical College and go an Associates 
Degree in Business Data Processing in 1978.  To me, that was really a 
great program.  They had a JCL class, two Cobol classes, assembler, 
PL/1, database, and then the usual stuff like English and basic Math.  
It was great preparation for being a programmer.  Matter of fact, just 
after I graduated, I was promoted to a junior programmer job after 
working at Milwaukee County for 3 years as a computer operator.  After 
8 months of that, the tech support manager asked me if I wanted to work 
in technical support, so I took that.  

I really thing that with a little updating, the curriculem for  the 
program I took was fantastic, and still applicable today.  Now, I think 
they do teach a Cobol class, but most of the stuff is all PC oriented.  
I did take a Cisco Networking set of 4 classes there, but I decided I 
didn't want to do Cisco networking.  I was impressed with the quality 
of the teaching at MATC for the Cisco classes.

Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
414-475-7434
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Tsujimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:45 am
Subject: Re: Curiosity
To: [email protected]> I fully understand this point of view.  After 
all, when accounting 
> students graduate, they can immediately use what they learned, 
> e.g. 
> balance a corp's books.  When a med student graduates, they can 
> apply what 
> their learned as well (although, I'd rather be worked on by a 
> seasoned 
> doc).  But, when a CS person graduates, he/she is better suited to 
> simply 
> go on to grad school, or go work for a vendor (e.g. IBM).  I'm a 
> product 
> of the system (CS puke), but I recognized that I needed marketable 
> skills 
> (SNOBOL was fun, but it doesn't pay the bills).  So, I went 
> outside the 
> university and took classes on BAL, and other like subjects.  
> Actually, I 
> got my first job because I had learned Mark IV during my summer job.

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