On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:11:06 +0000, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I would agree with the originator of this question that any required use of FORCE is a bug. > >I disagree. Sometimes you have to FORCE. ... I didn't mean to imply that FORCE should not be used. I even can see where it might become part of standard operating procedure. But I still cotend that something is seriously wrong in the environment if a FORCE is regulary needed. > >> The possible consequences of FOCREing an address >space are severe > >Not since MVS/XA came out. A lot of problems were solved then. >... I know that FORCE is a lot safer than it used to be, but I still here anecdotal reports of problems. They don't apply in my case anyway because we have this problem during shutdown. The only real issue in our shop was that it delayed shutdown of 11 LPARs. By the end, people weren't waiting very long to do the FORCE, but they gettig a bit irritated. > >>and are not within the scope of 'normal' operation. > >Again, I disagree. >... I guess it depends on how you perceive "normal". Even if its use is always required in some given situation I don't think FORCE should be considered "normal". I think there is something needing fixing. >... >BTW, what do you do while waiting for the vendor to fix it? >Leave the address space hanging? I don't think any posting on this thread has said not to use FORCE. There have been warning about the consequences (which may not be needed anymore) but no prohibitions. We obviously have to use it if that's what it takes. The same can be said for amputation. I don't think it should be considered a "normal" solution. But I wanted to know how others felt before complaining too much more to IBM. Pat O'Keefe ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
