On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 14:13:56 -0400, David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>At 9/13/2006 01:30 PM, TMerchant wrote:

That's Marchant, thank you.

>>But why does it require that previously received maintenance be
>>REJECTed and that previously APPLY'ed maintenance be RESTORed?
>
>Because our maintenance is cumulative, not incremental.
>   - That means that the latest maintenance file always
>     contains all maintenance, not just the most recent.

There is no reason you couldn't have a new PTF that SUPed all
previous maintenance, nor is there any reason you couldn't 
include all maintenance in a single file.

>   - That means that the file as a whole has to be APPLY'd to
>     the instance of the product that existed immediately
>     after initial install.

That is not proper packaging of maintenance.

>   - That means that all prior maintenance has to be removed
>     before the new maintenance file can be successfully
>     APPLY'd.

That is because the maintenance is poorly designed.

>   - And that's what RESTORE and REJECT do.

But that is not what RESTORE and REJECT are for.

>   - And that's why our canned maintenance JCL contains
>     RESTORE, REJECT, RECEIVE and APPLY, in that order.
>     In other words, the process is fully automated by a
>     single job.

It sounds to me as if your installation and maintenance processes
do not benefit at all from the use of SMP/E
>
>Note, the only time our maintenance job fails is when the SYSPROG
>does an ACCEPT of prior maintenance. Doing that prevents RESTORE from
>reverting the libraries to their initial installation state (a state
>which the cumulative maintenance file does NOT fit.)

Therefore your maintenance is not properly packaged.
>
>But even that's not so bad, because it also is trivially easy for the
>customer to recover simply by rerunning the initial installation
>jobs, a process that, for our product, takes about 4 minutes.
>
>As I said in my initial post, the advantage of cumulative maintenance
>over incremental maintenance is that customers, when they eventually
>get around to applying maintenance (a far less frequent event than I
>would like), need only download the latest maintenance file. They
>don't need to go scurrying around looking for older maintenance, and
>I don't need to maintain the older maintenance as individual files.
>
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>>>Using a system in a way that was never envisioned by the creators
>>>can be brilliant innovation. It can also be what is termed "gaming
>>>the system"...
>>
>>Well said
>
>I prefer to call it, simply, a good idea.
>
Those are not the words that come to my mind.

Tom Marchant

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