On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, let's see: > >"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU can >be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each. Add in >an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000 >(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf), and >you're already up to $45,000 each. <<<<snip>>>> That is the problem with us mainframe people , unless we know the other side prices and performances we only assume . I happen to run both shops I pay around 2000 euros for a dual processor squatty box . not 5000 dollars i use Vmware on the squatty boxes so i do not need to buy more squatty boxes for dev ( to compare VM on an IFL you put VM on a squatty box ). The nice thing is that when i have 60 squatty boxes , i use the dev and test ones for backup of my production ( like i do on my sysplex lpars in the other room ) and i have 20 times more computing power than in one IFL A very important thing also is that if you run some heavy applications ( like some consuming WAS ) you will have better performance on an intel platform than on an IFL . ( in fact despite what a lot of us think , power comes with the megahertz , and you do not multiply VM's indefinitely without being penalised ) You need the same amount of manpower to run VMWARE under intel , only the SAN requires a bit more attention . A superior thing about VMWARE vs VM is that you also run windows servers as well as Linux servers . Like it has been said more than once here , the value of an IFL depends .. it varies .... Today i have 240 physical squatty boxes with 80 vm's and i am under the process of testing IFL's with VM ( linux only of course but i do not really know what to use it for , except that if i fail , i'll be able to change it to a ZAAP or a ZIIP in the next few months ! ( i have them for trial ) Oh and by the way : What does "squatty" really means ( if it means small size , it is interesting , because a T42 rack is higher than a Z9 !) Bruno Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
