> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bruno Sugliani
>
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500, Chase, John wrote:
>
> >Well, let's see:
> >
> >"Ass.u.me" for ease of arithmetic that "squatty boxes" with one CPU
can
> >be had for $5,000 (hardware and server operating system) each. Add
in
> >an Oracle "processor license" at $40,000
> >(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/technology-price-list.pdf),
> >and you're already up to $45,000 each.
> <<<<snip>>>>
> That is the problem with us mainframe people , unless we
> know the other side prices and performances we only assume .
> I happen to run both shops
> I pay around 2000 euros for a dual processor squatty box .
> not 5000 dollars i use Vmware on the squatty boxes so i do
> not need to buy more squatty boxes for dev ( to compare VM
> on an IFL you put VM on a squatty box ).
Don't forget the "per processor" software licenses (e.g., Oracle at
US$40,000/processor * 2 processors on your dual-processor box =
US$80,000)......
> The nice thing is that when i have 60 squatty boxes , i use
> the dev and test ones for backup of my production ( like i do
> on my sysplex lpars in the other room ) and i have 20 times
> more computing power than in one IFL A very important thing
> also is that if you run some heavy applications ( like some
> consuming WAS ) you will have better performance on an intel
> platform than on an IFL .
> ( in fact despite what a lot of us think , power comes with
> the megahertz , and you do not multiply VM's indefinitely
> without being penalised ) You need the same amount of
> manpower to run VMWARE under intel , only the SAN requires a
> bit more attention .
> A superior thing about VMWARE vs VM is that you also run
> windows servers as well as Linux servers .
I know of no technical reason why Windows could not be coded to run on a
"z" box. There may be some lingering "bad blood" from the IBM - MS
"divorce" over Windows vs. OS/2 causing MS to eschew the "z"
platform........
> Like it has been said more than once here , the value of an
> IFL depends ..
> it varies ....
> Today i have 240 physical squatty boxes with 80 vm's
At what cost for software licenses?
How many of those "squatty boxes" run at 100% utilization, and for how
long?
Remember that the "z" boxes are designed "from the ground up" to run at
100% utilization all of the time.
> and i
> am under the process of testing IFL's with VM ( linux only of
> course but i do not really know what to use it for , except
> that if i fail , i'll be able to change it to a ZAAP or a
> ZIIP in the next few months ! ( i have them for trial ) Oh
> and by the way :
> What does "squatty" really means
As used in most discussions on this forum, it means any non-mainframe
(particularly, any non-zBox) computer.
-jc-
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