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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> This is fascinating history, Lynn.  I remember using the Prepare  command in 
> channel programs for the 2701 that we used in the TUCC network ca.  1967 on.
>  
> Speaking of old, busted systems and ones that were killed (like FS),  does 
> anybody know anything about the new operating system that Amdahl was trying  
> to 
> build?  I had a phone interview with an Amdahl person in SEP 1987 who  
> mentioned this OS and I started salivating at the prospect of working on that 
>  
> project.  The next thing I knew the project had been killed.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#64 Operating systems are old and busted
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#66 Off Topic But Concept should be Known 
To All
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#67 Operating systems are old and busted
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#68 Operating systems are old and busted

Simpson (of HASP fame) ... misc. old posts mentioning hasp
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hasp

including observation that the much of the source for HASP/JES2 internal
networking support (before being released as project) carried the
letters "TUCC" in cols. 68-71. misc. past posts mentioning internal
network (which was mostly vm370 based ... with a few mvs/jes2 around the
perimeter)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

had left the HASP group and started an internal operating system project
called RASP.  It had some of the characteristics of TSS/360, being an
extremely paged mapped oriented operating system (shared some
characteristics of FS, s/38, as/400) ... but purely 370 based.

Later, he left and became an Amdahl fellow in Dallas ... starting a
similar project. There was some litigation as a result that included
some code reviews (to see if any RASP code had leaked out). Some of this
overlapped with the developed of Au/GOLD (aka UTS) ... and there was
appeared to be some amount of anbivalence between the two
groups. Knowing some of the people in both organizations ... I even
tried to do some mediation (ignore for the moment that i didn't work for
them and knew about unannounced, internal projects).

One of the examples I tried to use was the UNIX TSS370 (SSUP) effort
that was being done for internal AT&T use. A lot of the 370 UNIX being
done in the 80s was all being done under VM ... not so much because of
the point in the original subject of this thread ... but because VM370
would provide for hardware EREP (if necessary) on behalf of operating
system in virtual machine ... and an effort to fit UNIX with 370 EREP
was several times larger than any of the efforts just porting UNIX to
370. The TSS370/SSUP strategy being done for AT&T ... had all the
low-level TSS/370 kernel hardware support ... but with UNIX layered
ontop (an alternative approach to giving unix environment a large amount
of 370 EREP).

In any case, I suggested that the two groups might be able to form a
marriage of convenience doing something similar. Didn't happen.

misc. past posts mentioning tss370/ssup, rasp, aspen, au/gold/uts, etc
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#1 pathlengths
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a John Hartmann's Birthday Party
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#11 S/360 operating systems geneaology
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#2 IBM S/360
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#64 Old naked woman ASCII art
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#190 Merced Processor Support at it again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#191 Merced Processor Support at it again
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#61 VM (not VMS or Virtual Machine, the 
IBM sort)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#8 IBM Linux
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#68 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate 
CISC? designs)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#69 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate 
CISC? designs)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#70 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate 
CISC? designs)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#73 7090 vs. 7094 etc.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#19 SIMTICS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#20 VM-CMS emulator
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#22 Early AIX including AIX/370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#23 MERT Operating System & Microkernels
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#47 any 70's era supercomputers that ran 
as slow as today's supercomputers?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#7 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#8 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#9 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#11 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#17 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#18 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#20 mainframe question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#23 Mainframers: Take back the light 
(spotlight, that is)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#42 Blade architectures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#0 Blade architectures
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#63 Hercules and System/390 - do we need 
it?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#75 30th b'day
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#21 Original K & R C Compilers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#24 Original K & R C Compilers
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#32 why does wait state exist?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#54 SHARE MVT Project anniversary
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#31 Collating on the S/360-2540 card 
reader?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#53 HASP assembly: What the heck is an 
MVT ABEND 422?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#54 Filesystems
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#65 801 (was Re: Reviving Multics
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#24 UltraSPARC-IIIi
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#31 Lisp Machines
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#52 Question about Unix "heritage"
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#5 What is timesharing, anyway?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#48 Who said DAT?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#4 TSS/370 source archive now available
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#9 TSS/370 binary distribution now 
available
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#10 XDS Sigma vs IBM 370 was Re: I/O 
Selectric on eBay: How to use?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#26 Moribund TSO/E
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#61 IBM 360 memory
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#21 REXX still going strong after 25 years
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#72 ibm mainframe or unix
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#4 Infiniband - practicalities for small 
clusters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#16 Infiniband - practicalities for small 
clusters
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#39 spool
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#3 Shipwrecks
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#4 RISCs too close to hardware?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#10 vm/370 smp support and shared segment 
protection hack
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#37 A Glimpse into PC Development 
Philosophy
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#13 Relocating application architecture 
and compiler support
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#20 [Lit.] Buffer overruns
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#61 Virtual Machine Hardware
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#4 [newbie] Ancient version of Unix under 
vm/370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#7 [newbie] Ancient version of Unix under 
vm/370
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#9 IBM's mini computers--lack thereof
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#38 storage key question
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#44 hasp, jes, rasp, aspen, gold
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#26 What ever happened to Tandem and 
NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#27 What ever happened to Tandem and 
NonStop OS ?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#38 IEH/IEB/... names?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#34 Power5 and Cell, new issue of IBM 
Journal of R&D
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#40 FULIST
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#24 Seeking Info on XDS Sigma 7 APL
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#18 Change in computers as a hobbiest
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#31 MCTS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#33 MCTS
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#19 Over my head in a JES exit
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#26 Old PCs--environmental hazard
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#30 Old Hashing Routine
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#22 Admired designs / designs to study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#26 Admired designs / designs to study
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#32 Very slow booting and running and 
brain-dead  OS's?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#17 old Gold/UTS reference
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#27 Why so little parallelism?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#24 IBM sues maker of Intel-based 
Mainframe clones
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#28 IBM sues maker of Intel-based 
Mainframe clones
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#11 Multiple mappings
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#38 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old 
days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#3 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old 
days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#14 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old 
days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#23 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old 
days?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#52 CMS (PC Operating Systems)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#9 IBM S/360 series operating systems 
history
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#43 John W. Backus, 82, Fortran 
developer, dies

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