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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > This is fascinating history, Lynn. I remember using the Prepare command in > channel programs for the 2701 that we used in the TUCC network ca. 1967 on. > > Speaking of old, busted systems and ones that were killed (like FS), does > anybody know anything about the new operating system that Amdahl was trying > to > build? I had a phone interview with an Amdahl person in SEP 1987 who > mentioned this OS and I started salivating at the prospect of working on that > > project. The next thing I knew the project had been killed. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#64 Operating systems are old and busted http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#66 Off Topic But Concept should be Known To All http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#67 Operating systems are old and busted http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007m.html#68 Operating systems are old and busted Simpson (of HASP fame) ... misc. old posts mentioning hasp http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hasp including observation that the much of the source for HASP/JES2 internal networking support (before being released as project) carried the letters "TUCC" in cols. 68-71. misc. past posts mentioning internal network (which was mostly vm370 based ... with a few mvs/jes2 around the perimeter) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet had left the HASP group and started an internal operating system project called RASP. It had some of the characteristics of TSS/360, being an extremely paged mapped oriented operating system (shared some characteristics of FS, s/38, as/400) ... but purely 370 based. Later, he left and became an Amdahl fellow in Dallas ... starting a similar project. There was some litigation as a result that included some code reviews (to see if any RASP code had leaked out). Some of this overlapped with the developed of Au/GOLD (aka UTS) ... and there was appeared to be some amount of anbivalence between the two groups. Knowing some of the people in both organizations ... I even tried to do some mediation (ignore for the moment that i didn't work for them and knew about unannounced, internal projects). One of the examples I tried to use was the UNIX TSS370 (SSUP) effort that was being done for internal AT&T use. A lot of the 370 UNIX being done in the 80s was all being done under VM ... not so much because of the point in the original subject of this thread ... but because VM370 would provide for hardware EREP (if necessary) on behalf of operating system in virtual machine ... and an effort to fit UNIX with 370 EREP was several times larger than any of the efforts just porting UNIX to 370. The TSS370/SSUP strategy being done for AT&T ... had all the low-level TSS/370 kernel hardware support ... but with UNIX layered ontop (an alternative approach to giving unix environment a large amount of 370 EREP). In any case, I suggested that the two groups might be able to form a marriage of convenience doing something similar. Didn't happen. misc. past posts mentioning tss370/ssup, rasp, aspen, au/gold/uts, etc http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/95.html#1 pathlengths http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/96.html#4a John Hartmann's Birthday Party http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#11 S/360 operating systems geneaology http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#2 IBM S/360 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#64 Old naked woman ASCII art http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#190 Merced Processor Support at it again http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#191 Merced Processor Support at it again http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000b.html#61 VM (not VMS or Virtual Machine, the IBM sort) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000c.html#8 IBM Linux http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#68 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#69 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2000f.html#70 TSS ancient history, was X86 ultimate CISC? designs) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001b.html#73 7090 vs. 7094 etc. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001e.html#19 SIMTICS http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#20 VM-CMS emulator http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#22 Early AIX including AIX/370 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#23 MERT Operating System & Microkernels http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#47 any 70's era supercomputers that ran as slow as today's supercomputers? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#7 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#8 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#9 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#11 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#17 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#18 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001l.html#20 mainframe question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002d.html#23 Mainframers: Take back the light (spotlight, that is) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002f.html#42 Blade architectures http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002g.html#0 Blade architectures http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002i.html#63 Hercules and System/390 - do we need it? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002j.html#75 30th b'day http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#21 Original K & R C Compilers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002m.html#24 Original K & R C Compilers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#32 why does wait state exist? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002n.html#54 SHARE MVT Project anniversary http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2002q.html#31 Collating on the S/360-2540 card reader? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003c.html#53 HASP assembly: What the heck is an MVT ABEND 422? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003d.html#54 Filesystems http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003e.html#65 801 (was Re: Reviving Multics http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#24 UltraSPARC-IIIi http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003g.html#31 Lisp Machines http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003h.html#52 Question about Unix "heritage" http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#5 What is timesharing, anyway? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2003k.html#48 Who said DAT? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004.html#4 TSS/370 source archive now available http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#9 TSS/370 binary distribution now available http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#10 XDS Sigma vs IBM 370 was Re: I/O Selectric on eBay: How to use? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#26 Moribund TSO/E http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004c.html#61 IBM 360 memory http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#21 REXX still going strong after 25 years http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004d.html#72 ibm mainframe or unix http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#4 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#16 Infiniband - practicalities for small clusters http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004g.html#39 spool http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#3 Shipwrecks http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004n.html#4 RISCs too close to hardware? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004p.html#10 vm/370 smp support and shared segment protection hack http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2004q.html#37 A Glimpse into PC Development Philosophy http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005b.html#13 Relocating application architecture and compiler support http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005c.html#20 [Lit.] Buffer overruns http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005d.html#61 Virtual Machine Hardware http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#4 [newbie] Ancient version of Unix under vm/370 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#7 [newbie] Ancient version of Unix under vm/370 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005m.html#9 IBM's mini computers--lack thereof http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#38 storage key question http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005p.html#44 hasp, jes, rasp, aspen, gold http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#26 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005q.html#27 What ever happened to Tandem and NonStop OS ? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005r.html#38 IEH/IEB/... names? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005s.html#34 Power5 and Cell, new issue of IBM Journal of R&D http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2005t.html#40 FULIST http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006b.html#24 Seeking Info on XDS Sigma 7 APL http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006c.html#18 Change in computers as a hobbiest http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#31 MCTS http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006e.html#33 MCTS http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#19 Over my head in a JES exit http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006f.html#26 Old PCs--environmental hazard http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006m.html#30 Old Hashing Routine http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#22 Admired designs / designs to study http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006p.html#26 Admired designs / designs to study http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006q.html#32 Very slow booting and running and brain-dead OS's? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006t.html#17 old Gold/UTS reference http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006u.html#27 Why so little parallelism? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#24 IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#28 IBM sues maker of Intel-based Mainframe clones http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006y.html#11 Multiple mappings http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007.html#38 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007b.html#3 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#14 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007c.html#23 How many 36-bit Unix ports in the old days? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007d.html#52 CMS (PC Operating Systems) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007f.html#9 IBM S/360 series operating systems history http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007k.html#43 John W. 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