I don't think so. Nevermind, let's drop out interpretations.
IMHO 3380 is still in use, in most cases generally because of staff lazyness/lack of comptence. Yes, I mean it.
AFAIR 3390 was introduced in 1990. 17 years ago. Enough time to perform 
migration.
All the shops I know use 3380 without any real reason. For example they use 
Adabas, however other shops, running the same application migrated to 3390 
years ago. Another examples: JES2 SPOOL, RACF db. No comments.
Of course my experience is limited, that's why I didn't say "in every case"; 
YMMV

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Joel C. Ewing wrote:
I think you misinterpreted Tom's remarks.

He wasn't disputing that 3380 emulation was in use, only the logical inconsistency of your use of the existence of 3380 emulation as an argument supporting the ability of installations to easily handle some new DASD architecture.

3380 emulation is most likely in use precisely because transitioning to the 3390 DASD architecture was not trivial and involved costs the installation wished to avoid. Add a new DASD architecture to the picture, and those running 3380 emulation today will probably still be wanting to run 3380 emulation on the new DASD.

If you are emulating old DASD architecture on new architecture hardware, you haven't yet migrated applications to the new architecture - and you run the risk that at some point the latest hardware or Operating System may cease to support the older architecture. That installations choose to run these risks is an indication of the difficulty of utilizing new DASD architecture, not an indication of the ease of supporting multiple DASD architectures.

R.S. wrote:
Tom Marchant wrote:
[...]
I disagree. Completely. Mainframe users had to do with different
track sizes, some dataceneters still have 3380 emulation.

It sounds like you are disagreeing with yourself here. Why do you think some data centers still use 3380 emulation?

I don't see logic conflict here. As I said, many people worked in datacenters where various geometries were in use. I also wrote there are shops still using 3380 geometry. Why do I think so ? Because I was in one of them about week ago. It's still on the place. I know few other shops using 3380. I don't *think* they do it, I *know* it.





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