On 8 Sep 2007 11:50:26 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerhard Adam) wrote:

As for "being allowed" to learn ... There has NEVER been more information available, nor more readily available than today. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone that wants to learn to suggest that they are being denied access to information. Implicit in this statement is the assumption that education is the company's responsiblity. If we are "professionals" then education is OUR responsibility. While it is a tremendous benefit when a company elects to pay for such education, it is by no means our right to have it at someone else's expense. A company is not responsible for enhancing our careers. If it is cheaper to educate staff rather than bring in outside expertise, then it is likely that course of action may be taken. While a classroom might be easier, and a mentor can certainly be beneficial, the suggestion of "not being allowed" is simply over the top.

Your reply to my last two paragraphs significantly skews my position. Please reread my first paragraph:

      I believe, as I always have, that the only way
towards expertise in mainframes is via mentoring. A junior
sysprog needs to apprentice to a senior sysprog.

I am not talking about reading, lurking or questioning online, or even classes. There are many things that can be learned from people, but that can't be taught. Constant exposure to a good senior sysprog will leave a good junior sysprog with ideas, attitudes, and competences that are not likely to arise any other way within a reasonable number of years.

That is the kind of education that is the responsibility of the companies; it's almost impossible for an individual to obtain. Online, telephone, classes, and two Shares a year cannot replace it. It's the knowledge of when stay calm and when to go into a frenzy of problem determination or amelioration. It's having available that large memory of things that went wrong, without having to find them all the hard way. It's learning by example what knowledge it's important to memorize versus that which should be looked up. It's many other things, most of which I'll never be able to explain verbally, which is part of my point.

 A company that
doesn't want to pay for expertise will either learn the hard way, or
discover that it doesn't need the expertise.

Any mainframe company without sufficient expertise is bad for all of us. Mainframes already get bad press. Any business failure directly relating to the mainframe will be even worse. I don't want companies to die because they did things wrong; I want them to live because they do things right. The elementary level of some of the questions showing up here and elsewhere show that they do need that expertise. A well-run company can't pause for Usenet responses *every time* something new comes up, even if it can, sometimes.

I will continue to lurk, and to answer questions that both intrigue me and that I may know the answers to. And, obviously, to occasionally spout on-topic opinions.

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