Perhaps I can add some clarity here. I worked for the California State
Controller's office and was he primary technical support for it until I
left in 1982, so I am very familiar with the system. I can confirm that
most of it is written in COBOL, although I think characterizing it as a
"Vietnam-era computer-language so outdated that many college students
don't even bother to learn it anymore" is a statement designed to
mis-label and malign a perfectly fine language. Point-of-fact: College
students in the 1970's and early 1980's when this system was written
didn't bother to learn COBOL either. It wasn't because it was so
out-dated; it was because the computer science department didn't like
COBOL for whatever reason. Many systems we use today were designed and
built before the "Vietnam-era". Does that make them bad? That's the
implication that the author is trying to make, and it certainly does not
stand up to the most basic of challenges: truth.

Additionally, the payroll system is completely table-driven, for taxes
and salaries, so this change should only take a short while to
accomplish, not the six months asserted by controller John Chiang. 

Reading something like this makes one wonder about the veracity of all
news reported.

Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX  

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Politics - California state computers can't handle pay cut,
controller says - sacbee.com

McKown, John wrote:
> http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1132588.html
> 
> <quote>
> The massive pay cut would exhaust the state's antiquated payroll
system,
> which is built on a Vietnam-era computer language so outdated that
many
> college students don't even bother to learn it anymore.

Huh? How does a pay cut exhaust a payroll system? What does that mean,
to "exhaust a system"?


> 
> ...
> 
> The state payroll system is based on the COBOL, or Common Business
> Oriented Language, programming language - a code first introduced in
> 1959 and popularized in the 1960s and 1970s.
> 
> "COBOL programmers are hard to come by these days," said Fred Forrer,
> the Sacramento-based CEO of MGT of America, a public-sector consulting
> firm. "It's certainly not a language that is taught. Oftentimes, you
> have to rely on retired annuitants to come back and help maintain the
> system until you're able to find a replacement."
> 
> </quote>

We can teach them young whippersnappers COBOL quickly. (But, of
course, not for free!)



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