If I remember correctly (and I don't remember if I do ;-),  this may have been 
with the product since UCC1 days.  Anyway, (and this I definitely remember), 
years ago we used to run without any UPS whatsoever, not in any form.  We took 
hard power hits fairly often and the machine would forget what time it was.  
There was more than once that these messages reminded some flustered (or 
green)operator that they should have set the TOD.  In those days we IPL'ed at 
least once a week on a planned basis, too.  IEFTMS8 is a WTOR, the others are 
just WTOs.  

This code was again useful for those shops that set their TOD forward for Y2K 
testing.  Good safety net on the way back.  

The only usefulness we find for it now is as confirmation that TMS is up.  We 
don't IPL very often anymore either, but I know some who still IPL weekly.

Linda Mooney

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From: Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:05 -0500, Lizette Koehler wrote: 
> 
> 
> >IEFTMS7 IPL DATE MORE THAN 8 DAYS FROM LAST IPL 
> >IEFTMS3 PREVIOUS IPL DATE = date 
> >IEFTMS8 VERIFY DATE = date OR 'HELP' 
> >Reason: The current system date is eight or more days beyond the 
> >last BrightStor CA-1 
> >initialization date. 
> >Action: Enter HIGHDATE to initialize BrightStor CA-1. If the IPL date is 
> >incorrect, reset 
> >the date and rerun TMSINIT. 
> > 
> >But I cannot determine what the differences between the two messages 
> >IEFTMS7 and IEFTMS8. I think with IEFTMS7 it may not require the 
> >HIGHDATE response. But does require the HIGHDATE with the IEFTMS8. 
> 
> Aren't the three messages always issued together? I haven't had to deal 
> with TMS in a long time, but I always found this to be a PITA. Apparently 
> CA hasn't yet realized 
> 1. That it is unusual indeed for an MVS system to be IPLed only 8 days after 
> the last IPL. 
> 2. That all mainframes have a good hardware clock. 
> 
> Perhaps it was a decent sanity check 30 years ago, but today it makes no 
> sense. 
> 
> -- 
> Tom Marchant 
> 
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