Have you tried to do this recently. IDCAMS delete does an HDELETE on a
ML2 migrated file under zOS 1.9 without doing the recall.

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-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Don Williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: UNABLE TO DELETE ML2 DSN

I've had a similar problem with trying to TSO DEL a migrated data set.
While 
I'm not offering you a solution, I did submit a design change request as

indicated in my IBM PMR:


==========================================================
Abstract: TSO DEL 'dataset' NOSCRATCH fails                             
                                                                        
>From the ISPF option 6 command line I entered the following command:    
                                                                        
del 'SYSIOF.OPERLOG.IOFINDEX' noscratch                                 
                                                                        
 ARC1001I SYSIOF.OPERLOG.IOFINDEX  RECALL FAILED, RC=0002, 
REAS=0004    
 ARC1102I DATA SET IS NOT MIGRATED/BACKED UP                            
ARC1020I DFSMSHSM IS RECALLING FROM TAPE 
DSN=SYSIOF.OPERLOG.IOFINDEX,   
PLEASE RETRY THE USER REQUEST AFTER THE RECALL HAS 
COMPLETED.           
 IDC3014I CATALOG ERROR+                                                
 IDC0551I ** ENTRY SYSIOF.OPERLOG.IOFINDEX NOT DELETED                  
 IDC0014I LASTCC=8                                                      
 IDC3007I ** VSAM CATALOG RETURN CODE IS 38                             
                                                                        
I've reported this problem as far back as OS/390 2.10. I still strongly 
feel that from TSO, I should be able to delete noscratch any entry that 
I could also delete using the same command in batch execution of IDCAMS.
                                                                        
Thanks,                                                                 
Don Williams                                                            

<<snip>>

Greetings,                                                              
                                                                        
Only when a user is logged on under group ARCCATGP does DFSMShsm        
bypass the automatic recall for UNCATALOG, RECATALOG, and               
DELETE NOSCRATCH requests for migrated data sets.                       
.                                                                       
 If you want certain authorized users to be able to perform these       
 operations on migrated data sets without recalling the data sets, you  
 need to perform the following steps:                                   
.                                                                       
1.  Define a RACF catalog maintenance group named ARCCATGP. For example:
     ADDGROUP (ARCCATGP).                                               
.                                                                       
2.  Connect the desired users to that group.                            
 CONNECT (userid1,. . .,useridn )                                       
 GROUP(ARCCATGP) AUTHORITY(USE)                                         
                                                                        
http://publibfi.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/dgt2i450/1.9.6?DN=
SC35-0418-
05&DT=20060629040441&SHELF=dgt2bk61&CASE=&PATH=/bookmgr/      
                                                                        
The situation that is described and tested/recreated, is a known        
documented limitation/scenario.                                         
                                                                        
However, I do understand your concerns, and having both TSO and batch   
run the same way (even though they are different processes) does appear

to be a good point.  This item is not a defect, but we can still address
it.  Do you wish to open a Design Change Request/Suggestion?  I can     
open, populate, and monitor it for you if you wish.                     
                                                                        
Please let me know how you'd like to proceed.                           
                                                                        
Thanks,                                                                 
Albert Szeto, IBM DFSMShsm Level 2                                      
Action taken: update                                                    
Action plan: await feedback, set follow up for March 26                 
 -IM00772               -5695DF170  -                 09/03/20-12:38-
RESPOND 
ELECTRONICALLY:                                                 
Hi Albert,                                                              
                                                                        
Yes, I would like to submit a MR or DCR.                                
                                                                        
Our "special" users don't want to be permanently connected to ARCCATGP.
As 
I wrote earlier in the PMR to Laurie:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
It seems to be a bit much to require a user to:                         
1. logoff,                                                              
2. logon with a special connect group,                                  
3. delete the desired data set(s),                                      
4. logoff again,                                                        
5. logon back with their normal connect group to resume their work.     
It wastes my time.                                                      
                                                                        
No special connect group is needed in batch. It is aggravating when the 
same command (I know technically they are not the same) works in batch, 
but not TSO (or vice versa). I did not like the difference 10 to 15     
years ago, and I still don't like it.                                   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Thanks,                                                                 
Don Williams                                                            
                                                                        
"The time is always right to do what is right" -- Martin Luther King,   
Jr.                                                                     
 =SZETO, ALBERT         -5695DF170  -                 09/03/20-18:50-   
 =SZETO, ALBERT         -5695DF170  -                 09/03/20-20:26-   
Greetings,                                                              
                                                                        
I have opened MR0320096938 for your design change/suggestion.           
                                                                        
Thanks,                                                                 
Albert Szeto, IBM DFSMShsm Level 2                                      
==========================================================


Hopefully IBM will decide to enhance TSO/HSM to handle the situation
(some 
time in the next decade?).

Don Williams

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